November 2013 - ntg-context - NTG Mailing Lists

Re: [NTG-context] Converting normal font into bold
by "H. Özoguz" 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Hi Ondra, thanks for your help. > Apparently, replacing a number enclosed in ornate parentheses (U+FD3E > and U+FD3F) with a number in the "end of ayah" ornament is a specialty > of the UthmanicHafs font. If I input the digit (e.g. U+0662) and then > the special non-printable "end of ayah" character (U+06DD), ConTeXt > and Amiri successfully output the digit inside the ornament. Hmm, ok. But if it is a speciality of UthmanicHafs, why CorelDraw understands it natively? > Of course, since U+06DD is a non-printable character, it might be a > pain to work with in a text editor; you might want to define a custom > command for this purpose: > > \def\eoa#1{#1\char"06DD} Thanks, that works fine: \definefont[arabicamiri][file:amiri-regular.ttf*arabic at 15pt] \definefont[arabicuth][file:UthmanicHafs1Ver09.ttf*arabic at 17pt] \def\eoa#1{#1\char"06DD} \starttext \setupalign[r2l] \arabicuth لأَفَبِهَـٰذَا ٱلْحَدِيثِ أَنتُم مُّدْهِنُونَ ﴿٨١﴾\eoa \stoptext But now another question arises: How to input this command into my unicode of quran automatically? (I am using notepad++). Not the best way to do this manually for all 286 Ayas (and then search and replace for all ayas of all suras). And still: There must be some tricks in CorelDraw handling fonts, which would be great to have in ConText :) Thank you! Huseyin PS: Sorry for these annoyong thread-breaking all the time - I really do not know, what I make wrong here. I am using Thunderbird. If anybody knows how to use thunderbird for email lists correctly, I would be thankful.

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Re: [NTG-context] Converting normal font into bold
by "H. Özoguz" 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

> Thanks, that works fine: > > \definefont[arabicamiri][file:amiri-regular.ttf*arabic at 15pt] > \definefont[arabicuth][file:UthmanicHafs1Ver09.ttf*arabic at 17pt] > \def\eoa#1{#1\char"06DD} > \starttext > \setupalign[r2l] > \arabicuth لأَفَبِهَـٰذَا ٱلْحَدِيثِ أَنتُم مُّدْهِنُونَ ﴿٨١﴾\eoa > \stoptext Now I could locate the error in ConText better, see this code and the mistake, which occurs: \definefont[arabicuth][file:UthmanicHafs1Ver09.ttf*arabic at 17pt] \define[1]\eoa{#1\char"06DD} \starttext \setupalign[r2l] \arabicuth إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ﴿٦﴾\blank إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ﴿٦٦﴾ \stoptext (I have attached the compiled PDF). The first aya, with a single one-digit number is not regonized correctly, but the second is (with a two-digit-number). Why? Huseyin

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Re: [NTG-context] ToC - right-alignment of roman numerals
by Jan Tosovsky 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On 2013-11-18 Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > On 2013–06–03 Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > in fresh MkIV I use the following commands for building ToC, but I > > have no idea how to align the label (roman numeral) to the right. > > I am almost there, but things get complicated when chapters are > combined with preface/index titles without numbering and thus aligned > improperly: > > \setupcombinedlist[content][list=chapter, alternative=c] > \setupcombinedlist[chapter][ > distance=1em, > width=1cm, > > numbercommand={\simplealignedbox{\listparameter{width}}{flushright}}, > ] > > \starttext > \completecontent > > \startfrontmatter > \chapter{Preface}text > \stopfrontmatter > > \startbodymatter > \chapter{Chapter}text\index{primary} > \stopbodymatter > > \startbackmatter > \completeindex > \stopbackmatter > > \stoptext > > Is there any way how to indent these non-numbered titles so that they > start where the chapter title starts? I've fixed it by applying a margin to everything and setting a negative width to the numbers (distance = -width): \setupcombinedlist[chapter][ distance=0.5cm, width=-0.5cm, margin=2cm, numbercommand={\simplealignedbox{\listparameter{width}}{flushright}}, ] I don't know exactly why it works, but it works :-) Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Converting normal font into bold
by "H. Özoguz" 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Again, because arabic seems to be vanished in my first posting, I dont know why. Thanks Khaled, the Naskh-Style is not an absolute requirement, but it is very well known and very common (at least for muslims in germany) - and it is very nice, of course, this is an question of flavor. I know your font, of course, but I had always problems with it in typesetting quran. Maybe you can help? See the following code: \definefont[arabicamiri][file:amiri-regular.ttf*arabic at 15pt] \definefont[arabicb][file:uthmantn1ver10.ttf*arabic at 17pt] \starttext \setupalign[r2l] \arabicamiri مِن قَبْلُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلْفُرْقَانَ ۗ إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ بِـَٔايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ ذُو ٱنتِقَامٍ \blank\blank \arabicb مِن قَبْلُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلْفُرْقَانَ ۗ إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ بِـَٔايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ ذُو ٱنتِقَامٍ\par \stoptext There are some issues within this example: - overlapping letters (see "Aziyz") - "bi ayaatillah" (overlapping of fatha and hamza) And besides from that: It is not so harmonic like the other font, seems more like a not-caligraphic hand-font (no offense of course :)) But possibly I am making something very wrong, can you help me? Thank you very much. My project is to typesetting quran completely, and that is not easy without an perfect font. If you have a commercial variant with license, please inform me, our company would surely buy it. Thanks and wassalam

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[***SPAM***] Re: Converting normal font into bold
by "H. Özoguz" 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

> http://amirifont.org/ > > >/ - and more hard to find such a find in this style (Uthmanic). > / > There is no such a style, it is just a simplified (dumbed down) Naskh > style used only in one single Mushaf. Why is that a requirement? Thanks Khaled, the Naskh-Style is not an absolute requirement, but it is very well known and very common (at least for muslims in germany) - and it is very nice, of course, this is an question of flavor. I know your font, of course, but I had always problems with it in typesetting quran. Maybe you can help? See the following code: \definefont[arabicamiri][file:amiri-quran.ttf*arabic at 15pt] \definefont[arabicb][file:uthmantn1ver10.ttf*arabic at 17pt] \starttext \setupalign[r2l] \arabicamiri ??? ?????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ????? ????????? ????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? \blank\blank \arabicb ??? ?????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ????? ????????? ????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????\par \stoptext There are some issues within this example: - overlapping letters (see "Aziyz") - "bi ayaatillah" (overlapping of fatha and hamza) And besides from that: It is not so harmonic like the other font, seems more like a not-caligraphic hand-font (no offense of course :)) But possibly I am making something very wrong, can you help me? Thank you very much. My project is to typesetting quran completely, and that is not easy without an perfect font. If you have a commercial variant with license, please inform me, our company would surely buy it. Thanks and wassalam

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Intermediate format
by Jan Tosovsky 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Dear All, is it possible to get the complete representation of the layout that is processed in the luatex PDF generator? I mean coordinations of individual text boxes, their dimensions etc. In e.g. XSL-FO processors it is provided in the XML based formats: http://www.renderx.com/reference.html#IntermediateFormatSpecification http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.1/intermediate.html Actually, I'd like to retrieve the page number and vertical position of my object with a specific id (reference) to be able to perform PDF post-processing. Is DVI way to go? How can I get it in MkIV? Thanks, Jan

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[***SPAM***] Re: No full Unicode-Support in ConTeXt?
by "H. Özoguz" 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

> not at all, as you show way more input here as in the jpeg ... so first > make a minimal example I did gave a min-example, didn't I? The JPG was only to make clear, what I mean with "little signs". Is that clear now? Dont know how to say it better way (sorry my english) :), > also "another font" is not revealing either Of course it is not, yes, sorry. But sometimes I have problems with different fonts (e.g. the letters are not connected), and these problems do not occur in CorelDraw or some other programs. That is, what I meant. (Besides from that, it should be clear that I am a very big fan of ConTeXt and all the way I am talking about it to friends and collegues, so: no attacks at all :)). > the only issue i see is that this otf font has 2048 units and gets > scaled wrong (in luatex's backend probably) The problem is not the scaling (may be too, but not my problem here). Don't you get the following problem in this (your) code? \definefont[arabica][file:uthmantn1ver10.ttf*arabic at 45pt] \definefont[arabicb][file:arabtype.ttf*arabic at 45pt] \starttext \setupalign[r2l] \arabica شَدِيدٌۗ\blank\blank \arabicb شَدِيدٌۗ\par \stoptext Maybe its an issue of my context-version, so see the attachment. With the font "arabtype" everything is fine, with the font "uthmantnver10" the sign is missing. Huseyin

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No full Unicode-Support in ConTeXt?
by "H. Özoguz" 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Hello there, I wonder why working with fonts is soo hard in ConText (much easier in Word or CorelDraw). See this following font (free, opensource): http://fonts.qurancomplex.gov.sa/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/UthmanTN1-Ver10… And try now this Context-Code: \definefont[arabic][file:UthmanTN1Ver10.ttf*arabic at 15pt] \starttext \arabic\setupalign[r2l] مِن قَبْلُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلْفُرْقَانَۗ إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِـَٔايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ ذُو ٱنتِقَامٍ \stoptext You see, this little signs above the letters are vanished in the PDF. But they are set in CoreDraw (for example). Why, what is the problem? Similar problems you can see with another font, no problem in CorelDraw, but problems in ConText. Hope for help. Thank you very much. Huseyin

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Re: [NTG-context] Converting normal font into bold
by "H. Özoguz" 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

> The extend feature stretches the glyphs to get narrow or wide font but it doesn’t embolden it. > > The best solution is to get a font with a real bold style, money shouldn’t be a problem because fonts are cheap nowadays. > > Wolfgang Thanks, I hoped the it could really embold ist (like I did it in CorelDraw). Of course, money is not the problem at all - I am using it commercially, so the company should by any arabic font I would suggest. But it is very hard to find an modern font, which is capable of typsetting Quran, with full supprt and all special symbols (wich are not a part of standard modern arabic) - and more hard to find such a find in this style (Uthmanic). Huseyin

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Re: [NTG-context] Converting normal font into bold
by "H. Özoguz" 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

> > > >> May be ConTeXt experts would have better suggestions, till then you > >> may want to look at the fake bold option in simplefonts - > >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simplefonts#Faking_italics_and_bold_fonts > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > Unfortunately I did not manish to work with this font by simplefonts. I use the following simple setup: > > > > > > \definefont[arabic][file:bliblablup_0.ttf*arabic at 15pt] > > \definefontfeature[fakebold][extend=1.1] > > \definefont[arabic][file:<fontname>*arabic,fakebold at 15pt] > > > \starttext > > \arabic\setupalign[r2l] ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْحَىُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ > > \stoptext > > > > How can I get these "fake bolds" with this setup? Or is it absolutely necessary to use Simplefont for these fake-bolds? > > The feature is unrelated to simplefonts. > > Wolfgang Thanks Wolfgang, but that does not seem to work with this font. See attachment, the font is wider, but not bold. ++++++++++++++++ \definefont[arabic][file:bliblablup_0.ttf*arabic at 15pt] \definefont[arabics][file:bliblablup_0.ttf*arabic at 15pt] \definefontfeature[fakebold][extend=1.2] \definefont[arabic][file:bliblablup_0.ttf*arabic,fakebold at 15pt] \starttext \arabic\setupalign[r2l] ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْحَىُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ \blank\arabics\setupalign[r2l] ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْحَىُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ \stoptext ++++++++++++++++ Huseyin

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