November 2013 - ntg-context - NTG Mailing Lists

Re: [NTG-context] Eliminating orphans/widows when grid is on
by Hans Hagen 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On 11/23/2013 1:49 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > Dear All, > > when the grid is switched on in my document, there are lots of orphan and > widows in the output. > > \setuplayout[grid=yes] % grid=tolerant doesn't help > > According to the manual the grid typesetting is a solely ConTeXt feature not > available in the core TEX. Is it production ready? Are there any options to > handle o/w correctly? indeed no core tex but context specific ... and work in progress but the fundamentals will not change, only more options / control / better heuristics might show up (also as side effect of opening up tex more) (usually i spend time on such things when i need it myself or in projects) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Eliminating orphans/widows when grid is on
by Jan Tosovsky 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Dear All, when the grid is switched on in my document, there are lots of orphan and widows in the output. \setuplayout[grid=yes] % grid=tolerant doesn't help According to the manual the grid typesetting is a solely ConTeXt feature not available in the core TEX. Is it production ready? Are there any options to handle o/w correctly? Thanks, Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Linespacing in TOC
by Hans Hagen 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On 11/23/2013 12:16 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > On 2013-11-23 Jan Tosovsky wrote: >> On 2013-11-22 Hans Hagen wrote: >>> On 11/22/2013 9:44 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: >>>> On 2013-11-20 Hans Hagen wrote: >>>>> On 11/19/2013 11:48 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to tweak a default TOC linespacing... >>>>>> >>>>> \title{Table of Contents} >>>>> >>>>> \start >>>>> \setupinterlinespace[line=0.8ex] >>>>> \placecontent >>>>> \stop >>>> >>>> But as I found, any value below 2.8ex causes interline >>>> inconsistencies when >>>> special cases appears, see the extreme below: >>>> >>>> \starttext >>>> \start >>>> \setupinterlinespace[line=1.0ex] >>>> \placecontent >>>> \stop >>>> \chapter{aaaaaaaa}. % line without descenders >>>> \chapter{pppppppp}. % line with descenders >>>> \chapter{ŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ}. % the result is an inconsistent baseline >>>> \stoptext >>>> >>>> Is there any remedy for this? Can I fix the baseline distance >>>> somehow? >>>> >>> >>> \definegridsnapping[crap] [fit,0.2] >>> \setuplayout[grid=crap] >> >> This helps! But... it breaks something else :-( > > I've finally found an acceptable solution. > > During my tests I found a crucial difference between: > > \setupinterlinespace[line=2.0ex] > > and > > \setupinterlinespace[0.25] > > The latter sets the baseline distance correctly even without that > problematic snapping to the grid! > >> All lines in my book have a certain (default) linespacing. >> TOC entries are rendered (by default) using bigger linespacing. > > Btw, is there any option to override a default (huge) TOC linespacing? I > still consider my solution rather a hack. just set 'before' and 'after' normally linespacing in the toc is the same as in the rest of the document unless one has assigned to before/after -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [NTG-context] Linespacing in TOC
by Jan Tosovsky 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On 2013-11-23 Jan Tosovsky wrote: > On 2013-11-22 Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 11/22/2013 9:44 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > > On 2013-11-20 Hans Hagen wrote: > > >> On 11/19/2013 11:48 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I'd like to tweak a default TOC linespacing... > > >>> > > >> \title{Table of Contents} > > >> > > >> \start > > >> \setupinterlinespace[line=0.8ex] > > >> \placecontent > > >> \stop > > > > > > But as I found, any value below 2.8ex causes interline > > > inconsistencies when > > > special cases appears, see the extreme below: > > > > > > \starttext > > > \start > > > \setupinterlinespace[line=1.0ex] > > > \placecontent > > > \stop > > > \chapter{aaaaaaaa}. % line without descenders > > > \chapter{pppppppp}. % line with descenders > > > \chapter{ŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ}. % the result is an inconsistent baseline > > > \stoptext > > > > > > Is there any remedy for this? Can I fix the baseline distance > > > somehow? > > > > > > > \definegridsnapping[crap] [fit,0.2] > > \setuplayout[grid=crap] > > This helps! But... it breaks something else :-( I've finally found an acceptable solution. During my tests I found a crucial difference between: \setupinterlinespace[line=2.0ex] and \setupinterlinespace[0.25] The latter sets the baseline distance correctly even without that problematic snapping to the grid! > All lines in my book have a certain (default) linespacing. > TOC entries are rendered (by default) using bigger linespacing. Btw, is there any option to override a default (huge) TOC linespacing? I still consider my solution rather a hack. Regards, Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Linespacing in TOC
by Hans Hagen 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

On 11/22/2013 9:44 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > On 2013-11-20 Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 11/19/2013 11:48 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: >>> >>> I'd like to tweak a default TOC linespacing... >>> >>> I've 'invented' this: >>> >>> \setupcombinedlist[content][list=chapter, alternative=c] >>> >>> \starttext >>> >>> \title{Table of Contents} >>> \setupinterlinespace[line=0.8ex] % too small, just for testing >>> \placecontent >>> \setupinterlinespace[line=2.75ex] >>> %\setupinterlinespace[reset] >>> >>> \startfrontmatter >>> \chapter{Intro}text >>> >>> text >>> >>> text >>> \startfrontmatter >>> \startbodymatter >>> \chapter{Chapter}text >>> \stopbodymatter >>> \startbackmatter >>> \chapter{Appendix}text >>> \stopbackmatter >>> \stoptext >>> >>> I cannot use simply the \completecontent command as the linespacing >>> is effective already between the title and the first entry line... >>> so I am splitting the title and the rest and set the linespacing >>> just before list rendering. Finally I am resetting the value manually. >>> >>> Are there better ways to tweak linespacing in TOC ? >> >> \title{Table of Contents} >> >> \start >> \setupinterlinespace[line=0.8ex] % too small, just for testing >> \placecontent >> \stop > > Thanks for the hint. > > But as I found, any value below 2.8ex causes interline inconsistencies when > special cases appears, see the extreme below: > > \starttext > \start > \setupinterlinespace[line=1.0ex] > \placecontent > \stop > \chapter{aaaaaaaa}. % line without descenders precedes a line without > ascenders > \chapter{pppppppp}. % line with descenders is followed with a line with > ascenders > \chapter{ŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ}. % the result is an inconsistent baseline distance > \stoptext > > Is there any remedy for this? Can I fix the baseline distance somehow? > > I have such cases in my TOC :-( > (but not so extreme as here) \definegridsnapping[crap] [fit,0.2] \setuplayout[grid=crap] but if you really need that kind of tweaks you might consider using a better font: if interlinespace is too small you will never get nice results you can try to play with the h/d ratio: \setupinterlinespace[line=2.8ex,height=0.8,depth=0.2] \showstruts \strut x \setupinterlinespace[line=2.8ex,height=0.7,depth=0.3] \showstruts \strut x or you can plug in a command (in the toc handler) that puts each line in a box with manipulated dimensions Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Paragraph - the last line handling
by Jan Tosovsky 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Hello Everyone, in my document there are lot of cases when the last line in the paragraph has a very narrow gap on the right (case 1 below). I understand it is sometimes difficult to squeeze characters to the desired lenght (case 2) without any impact to the final quality, but this looks very unnatural now (besides all other lines, which are nicely typeset keeping the optical edge on the right). Is it possible to somehow define that under a certain limit the line will be expanded to the end (case 3)? xxxxxxxxxxxx (1) xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx (2) xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx (3) xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx I use the following setup now: \setupalign[hz, hanging] \setuptolerance[verystrict] % even 'strict' doesn't help here \setupindenting[medium, yes] Any idea? Thanks, Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Linespacing in TOC
by Hans Hagen 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

On 11/19/2013 11:48 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > Dear All, > > I'd like to tweak a default TOC linespacing... > > I've 'invented' this: > > \setupcombinedlist[content][list=chapter, alternative=c] > > \starttext > > \title{Table of Contents} > \setupinterlinespace[line=0.8ex] % too small, just for testing > \placecontent > \setupinterlinespace[line=2.75ex] > %\setupinterlinespace[reset] > > \startfrontmatter > \chapter{Intro}text > > text > > text > \startfrontmatter > \startbodymatter > \chapter{Chapter}text > \stopbodymatter > \startbackmatter > \chapter{Appendix}text > \stopbackmatter > \stoptext > > I cannot use simply the \completecontent command as the linespacing is > effective already between the title and the first entry line... so I am > splitting the title and the rest and set the linespacing just before list > rendering. Finally I am resetting the value manually. The 'reset' keyword > seems to be somehow ignored... > > Are there better ways to tweak linespacing in TOC ? \title{Table of Contents} \start \setupinterlinespace[line=0.8ex] % too small, just for testing \placecontent \stop ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Footnote line position
by Jan Tosovsky 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Dear All, when a single line footnote is used, the footnote divider is rendered in larger distance than for footnotes with two or more lines (I mean a gap between the line and the footnote text). Initially I though there must be an 'empty' paragraph in my footnote but looking into the source it turned out to be a false alarm as it seems to be consistent. It can be tested easily: \chapter{Chapter}Foo\footnote{Bar}. \chapter{Chapter}Foo\footnote{Bar Bar}. Is this behaviour deliberate? Thanks, Jan ConTeXt 2013.11.14 & Win 7

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Re: [NTG-context] Numberconversion problem in caption prefixes
by Géry Ogam 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Thank you Wolfgang, it does what I want. However, I realised after trying the following code inside environments (frontmatter, bodymatter, backmatter and appendices) that the default behaviour is WRONG because the conversions of prefixes are not always automatic. For instance, in the appendix environment, by default chapter numbers are Characters and every prefix representing a chapter number is also a Character (section prefixes, caption prefixes and so on). Now if you decide to switch chapter numbers to Romannumerals, you will get something totally inconsistent if you don’t do many conversions manually: *\startsectionblockenvironment[appendix]* * \defineconversionset[romannumeralsconversionset][][R]* * \setuphead[chapter][sectionconversionset=romannumeralsconversionset]* *\stopsectionblockenvironment* *\starttext* *\startappendices* *\chapter{Cool}* *\placefigure{A cow}{\externalfigure[cow]}* *\chapter{Cat}* *\section{Mouse}* *\section{Dog}* *\placefigure{A cow}{\externalfigure[cow]}* *\stopappendices* *\stoptext* which gives: *I Cool* *[figure] Figure I.I Cow % <-- Here the prefix conversion from 'A' to 'I' works.* *II Cat* *B.1 Mouse % <-- Here the prefix conversion from 'B' to 'II' does NOT work.* *B.2 Dog % <-- Here the prefix conversion from 'B' to 'II' does NOT work.* *[figure] Figure B.II Cow % <-- Here the prefix conversion from 'B' to 'II' does NOT work (because of the presence of the 2 sections B.1 and B.2 where the prefix conversion already did not work I think, so here is the BUG).* Extra: is it normal that caption NUMBERS (not prefixes) are converted to Romannumerals by default INSIDE the appendix environment (outside they are usual numbers)? ('Figure I.I Cow' and 'Figure B.II Cow' instead of 'Figure A.1 Cow' and 'Figure B.2 Cow'.)

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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with urls.
by Robert Blackstone 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

On 21 Nov 2013, at 19:53 , Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang(a)gmail.com> wrotr >> > > I can process your example without problems. > > ConTeXt ver: 2013.11.16 12:43 MKIV beta fmt: 2013.11.21 int: english/english > > Wolfgang Thank you for your reaction. This is odd. Here this EM does not work with CONTEXT version 2013.11.14 23:22, (which uses LuaTeX version 0.76.0 as engine.) (to get this information I had of course to outcomment the "\from[apurl]") Still stranger: when I plugged the url into some other TeX-file it did work with the same ConTeXt version. So it seems that there is some essential difference between these files (apart from their content) Do you have any idea what that could be? Could it be a matter of text encoding? (I use TeXShop as the front end.) Best regards, Robert Blackstone

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