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RE: [NTG-context] chancery font
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

>===== Original Message From ciro(a)kavyata.com, mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context(a)ntg.nl> ===== >My problem goes beyond fonts. What I think I need is a simple explanation >of the TeX-like package system. For instance: > >I see tetex,pdftex,contex, latex,web2c,...and so on, but I don't understand >their interrelation/dependency. teTeX, fpTeX, gwTeX, and MiKTeX are os-dependent distrbutions. LaTeX and ConTeXt are os-independent macropackages. Web2C is the Pascal-to-C translator that allows compilation of TeX on Unix, Windows, etc. /web2c is the directory that contains configuration files and os-dependent format files. But I don't know why it's called "/web2c" >Why the livetex tree is like it is? What is needed for a context user? ConTeXt has become so detailed and powerful, and changes so fast, that the os-dependent distrbutions can't keep up. I predict that one day ConTeXt will be completely independent of TeXLive. Some of the problems many of us have been facing ultimately boil down to the growing, but not yet complete, independence of ConTeXt from TeXLive. Personally, I think this a good thing, because ConTeXt is really a stand-alone system in the final analysis. mswincontext.zip is _almost_ there; maybe Hans could use volunteers to build and maintain independent Mac and Unix packages a la mswincontext.zip. Then we could contribute to a test/torture suite to make sure that everything runs identically on all os's. Each of us may have pet issues that concern us (I have my aleph work for example, there are fonts, xml, etc). >What are the steps to upgrade context with a cont-tmf.zip and a texlive2004? >Would it be possible to create an shell script that automize all this? I would get the tetex package from pragma, install it in its own tree, define your path so that your ConTeXt bin is searched BEFORE TeXLive's, and have your shell script initialize your tree (maybe there are instructions in the teTeX package). I modified my setuptex.bat so that my ConTeXt tree would search my TeXLive tree as well; I suppose you could do the same with setuptex.csh. > >Where are fonts registered/stored/mapped/encoded? There is a document somewhere on the TeX Directory Structure (tds), I think. Look in /texmf/doc/tds > >Most books on TeX,latex, etc, only explain how to use them, but not >the 'system administration' part, which must of us have to learn as well. There is an old book, Making TeX Work, that aimed to do just this. But it's 11 years old and woefully out of date. > >BTW, I used Idris instructions (without step4 because my texfont works) >and I have installed three different fonts so far. Actually, I >converted TTF fonts >to pfb/afm, then used the Idris steps, and I am happy. How did you convert ttf>pfb? I did this once using FontLab and I lost all my macron accents:-( But texfont and pdfetex work with ttf files so there is no need to convert:-) Now I hace to learn how >to build typescript files, and learn where to put them, What I did was just get one complete working typescript and model my other typescripts on that one. If type-ugm is working for you, just study that one. Five steps: % raw fonts %Names %Synonyms %maps %typefaces Note that you can mix and match fonts to create your own complete typefaces. I am enclosing a typescript I did for Times New Roman and Arial (type-tnr.tex) that I posted a few weeks ago. About placing type-* files: You can put them anywhere in your TeX path; I put mine, along with some other private configuration files, in /texmf-local/tex/generic/private, but you can put them anywhere you like under your TeX path. >and the mapping/encoding >business. I think you don't have to worry about this too much, except that texfont defaults to texnansi, while the fonts that come with TeXLive are mostly ec. So you should avoid use of \char as much as possible in your macros, and stick to character control sequences like \circumflex. Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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How to cook Garamond
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Dear syndicate, [Garamond is a nice font. Now that there is a free version, this would be a nice default font to add to the next ConTeXt distribution. In the meantime:] How to cook Garamond (my apologies to the experts for the verbosity): 1. Download ftp://dante.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/urw/garamond.zip (actually, you only need the pfb and afm files, unless your texfont does not work); 2. place ONLY the afm and pfb files in an empty temporary directory; 3. from /temp>, run texfont --ma --in --ve=urw --co=garamond --show you may verify the installation of your font by examining texnansi-urw-garamond.pdf. 4. If texfont does not work, you will have to do more work-> the zip package contains tfms etc, and here is a map file you will need: =============texnansi-urw-garamond.map============== % You need to add the following line to pdftex.cfg: % % map +texnansi-urw-garamond.map % % Alternatively in your TeX source you can say: % % \pdf {+texnansi-urw-garamond.map} % % In ConTeXt you can best use: % % \loadmapfile[texnansi-urw-garamond.map] texnansi-raw-ugmm8a GaramondNo8-Med 4 < ugmm8a.pfb texnansi.enc texnansi-raw-ugmmi8a GaramondNo8-MedIta 4 < ugmmi8a.pfb texnansi.enc texnansi-raw-ugmr8a GaramondNo8-Reg 4 < ugmr8a.pfb texnansi.enc texnansi-raw-ugmri8a GaramondNo8-Ita 4 < ugmri8a.pfb texnansi.enc ========================================================= If texfont works, ignore step 4; 5. Now write to file the following typescript: ==========================type-ugm.tex====================== % raw fonts \starttypescript[serif] [garamond] [texnansi] \definefontsynonym[Garamond] [ugmr8a] [encoding=texnansi] \definefontsynonym[GaramondItalic] [ugmri8a] [encoding=texnansi] \definefontsynonym[GaramondBold] [ugmm8a] [encoding=texnansi] \definefontsynonym[GaramondBoldItalic][ugmmi8a] [encoding=texnansi] \stoptypescript %Names \starttypescript [serif] [garamond] [name] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym[Serif] [Garamond] \definefontsynonym[SerifBold] [Garamond-Bold] \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic] [Garamond-Italic] \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][Garamond-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript %Synonyms \starttypescript [serif] [garamond] [texnansi] \definefontsynonym [Garamond] [\typescriptthree-ugmr8a] [encoding=\typescriptthree] \definefontsynonym [Garamond-Bold] [\typescriptthree-ugmri8a] [encoding=\typescriptthree] \definefontsynonym [Garamond-Italic] [\typescriptthree-ugmm8a] [encoding=\typescriptthree] \definefontsynonym [Garamond-BoldItalic] [\typescriptthree-ugmmi8a] [encoding=\typescriptthree] \stoptypescript % maps \starttypescript [map] [garamond] [texnansi] \loadmapfile[texnansi-urw-garamond.map] \stoptypescript% % typefaces \starttypescript [URWGaramond] \definebodyfontenvironment [urwgaramond] [default] [interlinespace=2.8ex] \definetypeface [urwgaramond] [rm] [serif] [garamond] [default] [encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface [urwgaramond] [ss] [sans] [helvetica] [default] [encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface [urwgaramond] [mm] [math] [palatino] [default] [encoding=texnansi] \definetypeface [urwgaramond] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default] [encoding=texnansi] \stoptypescript =========================== If there are better/more aesthetic choices for sans and math, let me know-) 6. Test it out: =========================== % output=pdf interface=en \starttext \usetypescriptfile[type-ugm] \usetypescript[URWGaramond] %\setupbodyfont[urwgaramond,12pt] \definetypeface [garamond][rm][serif][garamond][default][encoding=texnansi] \switchtotypeface[garamond] \input knuth \stoptext =========================== You try \setupbodyfont instead of \definetypeface. Have fun with Garamond! Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] chancery font
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

>===== Original Message From ciro(a)kavyata.com ===== >Idris, >thank you very much for your explanations... they are very helpful. I'm happy 2 b of help, although I'm basically just packaging things that Hans, Adam, and others have said over the last month >BTW, how do you use a ttf font directly in context? There was a thread on TimesNewRoman that I started a few weeks ago that has the details. Check out the archives on pragma. Basically, its exactly the same as the Garamond procedure except that you do not use any afm files; just the ttf files. Also, Hans has provided a way to just access the windows font directory; me, I used a temp dir like before. Look at that thread... Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] chancery font
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Hi guys, Ok, I certainly did _not_ intend to start a flame war, was just dreaming out loud:-)) >===== Original Message From Paul Tremblay <phthenry(a)iglou.com> ===== <snip> >I think you can achieve the same thing with a well-written shell script, >which can be interactive and can test all sorts of variables. Wouldn't a >shell script do the job you want? I mean, imagine the best, most fancy >gui you can, one that does everything you want with fonts. Now just >imagine the same program in an ugly shell that would do the same thing, >with the same interaction, and wouldn't that do the trick? Something one could run from e.g. a WinEDT or SciTe gui shell would be fine (for now->) >===== Original Message From "Thomas A.Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz(a)uni-bonn.de> ===== >First: fonts are a complex business, and when you >venture outside of the normal Western character range, things start to >get really messy (I speak from experience I have even more difficult issues with Arabic;-) >To be honest: in my >personal opinion (and this is a very personal opinion), die-hard GUI >users who just loathe the command line should not be using TeX. Hmm, seems we've heard the same comment about Linux in the pre-KDE days:-) Seriously, there is room in the TeX world for a creative gui approach, and ConTeXt would be a much better candidate than LaTeX for that to work. Yes, this is just a dream for now... In the future, maybe many years from now, someone may design a well-thought-out gui interface for the ConTeXt of the future. I for one would buy it... >In a way, >the current state puts a gentle, but firm sign on font handling saying >"This might be a bit difficult. Be warned!" Firm, perhaps, but I don't know about "gentle":-)) But Paul's idea of an interactive shell script is practical and I'll shut up for awhile... Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] chancery font
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

>===== Original Message From r.ermers(a)hccnet.nl, mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context(a)ntg.nl> ===== >Thanks Thomas for the manual. I have already printed it, and cannot wait >to give it a try. Which manual?? >In the mean time I welcome any other concrete tips for installing a new >font, step by step that is. Someone on this list did this a couple of years ago or more; does anyone remember the link to that? If you recall the earlier postings: my idea >would be to start with a new font consisting of only one pfb file. Try the Garamond experiment, then analyze type-ugm in light of the fonts manual. <snip> >In the end my ideal would be a context which typesets Arabic, Russian >and Turkish, plus transcription according to a code I developed myself. For transcription, you can use aleph. By the end of this year or sooner there should be a new advanced Arabic-script package. Hopefully, one day aleph will be integrated into pdfetex (long term) or at least the aleph-dvipdfmx combo will have all of ConTeXt's capabilities (short term). Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] How to cook Garamond
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Hi Peter, >===== Original Message From Peter Münster <pmlists(a)free.fr> ===== >On Sat, 2 Apr 2005, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > >> 3. from /temp>, run >> >> texfont --ma --in --ve=urw --co=garamond --show > >Hello Idris, >with this command, I get the following error (I'm using teTeX-3.0): >processing aborted : unknown tex root There is a unix script in mswincontext.zip that I suppose is also in the tetex package: setuptex.csh. I don't know how 2 use it (I still live in the Evil Empire for now-<) but usually I run setuptex.bat before starting the context utilities; otherwise I get errors like the above. > >Then I tried >texfont --fontroot=/opt/teTeX/texmf-dist/fonts --ma --in --ve=urw >--co=garamond --show > >This produces the following error: >(/opt/teTeX/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/s-fnt-01.tex) >kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-ugmm8a >mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfzzz; mag:=1; >nonstopmode; input texnansi-ugmm8a >This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.4) > >kpathsea: Running mktexmf texnansi-ugmm8a >! I can't find file `texnansi-ugmm8a'. I'm not sure, did you texhash (although texfont should have done that for you)? Did TeXFont at least install the font for you, before trying to compile the show file? Check to see if it installed, e.g. the 8 tfms in e.g. /texmf-fonts/fonts/tfm/urw/garamond > >So I tried step 4: > >> 4. If texfont does not work, you will have to do more work-> the zip package >> contains tfms etc, and here is a map file you will need: > >I installed this mapfile in /opt/teTeX/texmf-dist/fonts/map/pdftex/context > >> % You need to add the following line to pdftex.cfg: >> % >> % map +texnansi-urw-garamond.map >> % >> % Alternatively in your TeX source you can say: >> % >> % \pdf {+texnansi-urw-garamond.map} > >I suppose, you mean \pdfmapfile Well, I just copied the map file created by texfont;-) <snip> >Perhaps I have to rename the tfm files? Yes, I just checked the garamond distribution; you will have to rename them. Not only that, but texfont creates 8 tfm files (four raw and four virtual fonts I presume): texnansi-raw-ugmm8a.tfm, etc texnansi-ugmm8a.tfm, etc So step four is really a nightmare, I should have actually tried it before recommending it, sorry.. <snip> >Do you have any idea, what could be wrong on my system? Ciro uses teTeX and got this to work; maybe he has some idea. My own suggestion is to make sure you are using the latest context tetex distribution (3-16-05 last I checked), setuptex.csh, hash, and get texfont working. Sorry I cannot be of more help... Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] chancery font
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

>===== Original Message From mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context(a)ntg.nl> ===== >Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200: > >>I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not >>succeeded in installing any new font thusfar. > >Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font >users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand >(and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up >distribution-specific problems. Not only that, Adam, but the configuration issues involve so much minutae that it is very easy to make simple mistakes that cause, e.g, typescripts to fail. As Ciro suggested, what what would be useful is a gui that completely automates the process and that asks all relevant questions and generates everything ConTeXt needs to install and run Latin fonts, including expert fonts like Minion.**** (Maybe oneday the gui can be extended for Chinese, Arabic, etc.) On the other hand, I did manage to get a virtual font created by fontinst (old style numeral cmr) to work in ConTeXt without using any of the ConTeXt-specific utilities. I wrote the typescript entirely from scratch, with optical scaling and all; if that complicated set of typefaces could work, any Latin font should work. But debugging this sort of thing may take time, which can be frustrating. ****Qt4.0 will be gpl, I'd love to see e.g., an elegant crossplatform Qt/Ruby application that does this:-) Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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supp-vis and pdfetex
by Patrick Gundlach 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Hello, this is slightly off-topic: when using supp-vis in a plain-tex document, it runs ok with normal TeX, but not with pdfetex: \input supp-vis Hello \TeX! \bye -------------------------------------------------- Running `PDFTeX' on `test' with ``pdftex "\nonstopmode\input test.tex"'' This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) \write18 enabled. entering extended mode (./test.tex (/opt/tetex/3.0/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-vis.tex (/opt/tetex/3.0/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Miscellaneous (2004.10.26) ) loading : Context Support Macros / Visualization ! Missing { inserted. <to be read again> \def l.424 \unexpanded\def \ruledhbox Runaway text? \def \ruledhbox {\normalhbox \bgroup \dowithnextbox {\makeruledbox \nextbox \ET [....] -------------------------------------------------- Any way around this? Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net

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RE: [NTG-context] How to cook Garamond
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

>===== Original Message From ciro(a)kavyata.com, mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context(a)ntg.nl> ===== >Idris, >I just noticed that your type-ugm.tex file has the italic and bold >faces swapped. >Just to let you know. Thnx, I'll fix it. Since you both use teTeX, maybe you could help Peter get his Garamond working too:-) Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] chancery font
by Idris Samawi Hamid 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Hi Adam, >===== Original Message From mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context(a)ntg.nl> ===== >And Idris, it's here: ><http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/urw/garamond/> Ah! From the ctan dates, it appears this font was added a while after my TeXLive version (from last summer; time to update:-<<). Thnx a lot for pointing out this location. Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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