May 2008 - ntg-context - NTG Mailing Lists

Re: [NTG-context] InDesign
by Charles P. Schaum 28 May '08

28 May '08

On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 08:24 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > how do they deal with non compatible new features; for instance, at > bachotek i learned that some otf features that are not supported in > older versions are supported in new ones (or are supported > differently); > is there some compatibility mode (i.e. is the old behavior still > present > and the ID/IC version number stored in the document?) > I asked those wiser than I and this is what professional expectations tend to be: 1. Versioning within a document (track changes) basically becomes a non-entity by production; that is local and removed within a production cycle and tends to be wholly separated from version issues. Also, product cycles are generally tagged to a version of a program and therefore multiple versions need to be able to coexist in the case where the new version may not be backward-compatible with the old. With Quark, one could only count on backward compatibility over one version bump. After that, compatibility would diminish so that Quark 4.0 would not open Quark 1.0 docs. Makes Microsoft's format versioning seem positively user-friendly by comparison. The firm I work for has only started with the current InDesign/CS3 suite and relies on the quark plugin to do the work. Especially in Quark, third-party plugins were the most fragile. We expect, however, that Indesign will probably follow Quark in failing to be too bacwardly-compatible, opening well only the prior version docs and then saving them as current. That's one of the things that drove my personal computing away from Windows to Linux/FreeBSD. I was using an English firm's Creative Suite knock-off product (Serif) and realized that their business plan called for making shoddy products and substituting version bumps for bugfixes. I can only bleed so much to sate someone's greed and I found OSS to be far friendlier regarding version compatibility, bugfixes and robustness. AFAIK no real pressure for a compatibility mode exists in the commercial DTP sector. senecadesign.com has good InCopy resources and archives. Charles

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mapper and xml
by luigi scarso 28 May '08

28 May '08

hi, from mail "Greek in luatex" (Date: 2007-09-13 19:24:15 GMT ) following snippet works good, but I'm not able to make it work under xml processing with \startxmlsetups mynode .... \stopxmlsetups In particulary, I have \u2022 unicode char utf-8 encoding which I would like to map to \item. Replacing \u2022 with \item in xml source cause a literal \item to appear in text node, and hence in pdf output. Using mapper above produce only a literal \stopbabelgreek with no text at all. Thanks in advance \defineremapper[babelgreek] \remapcharacter[babelgreek][`a]{\alpha} \remapcharacter[babelgreek][`b]{\beta} \remapcharacter[babelgreek][`c]{\gamma} \remapcharacter[babelgreek][`d]{OEPS} \starttext [\startbabelgreek a b c some stuff here \blank[big] oeps b d \stopbabelgreek] [\babelgreek{some stuff here}] \stoptext -- luigi

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Out of office: ntg-context Digest, Vol 47, Issue 59
by rordorf＠mdpi.org 28 May '08

28 May '08

I am out of office and will return on Thursday, 29 May 2008. Kind regards, Dietrich Rordorf -- Mr. Dietrich Rordorf Molecular Diversity Preservation International (MDPI) Matthaeusstrasse 11, CH-4057 Basel, Switzerland E-mail: rordorf(a)mdpi.org Tel. +41 61 683 77 34 (office) Tel. +41 76 561 41 83 (mobile) Fax +41 61 302 89 18

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Struggling with luatools and MacTeX
by Jin-Hwan Cho 27 May '08

27 May '08

For the first step to luatex, I tried to use luatools as written in Hans Hagen's MK manual. 1. Compiled a recent luatex and it was put in "/usr/texbin/luatex" and linked to "/usr/texbin/texlua". 2. Downloaded the current beta and construct my "$HOME/share/texmf- context". Of course, the line in /usr/local/texlive/2007/texmf/web2c/ texmf.cnf was changed as follows. TEXMFHOME=$HOME/share/texmf-hyperref;$HOME/share/texmf-lm;$HOME/share/ texmf-context 3. Made a new "/usr/texbin/luatools" to use luatools.lua directly. The contents of the file was #!/bin/sh export SELFAUTOLOC=/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin export SELFAUTODIR=/usr/local/texlive/2007 export SELFAUTOPARENT=/usr/local/texlive/2007 export TEXMFCACHE="$HOME/share" texlua "$HOME/share/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/luatools.lua" "$@" 4. Finally tried "luatools --generate" and it seemed that everything went smoothly. But I found that luatools did not cache the $TEXMFHOME directories because it consisted of more than one TEXMF directories. It's not a bug but here is a patch to solve this problem. --- luatools.lua 2008-05-26 07:36:20.000000000 +0900 +++ luatools.lua.new 2008-05-26 07:59:17.000000000 +0900 @@ -3811,7 +3811,7 @@ return { } else local t = { } - for _,v in ipairs(string.splitchr(str:gsub("^\{(.+)\} $","%1"),",")) do + for _,v in ipairs(string.splitchr(str:gsub("^\{(.+)\} $","%1"):gsub(";",","),",")) do t[#t+1] = (v:gsub("^[%!]*(.+)[%/\\]*$","%1")) end return t 5. Now tried "luatools cmr10.tfm" but no anwer. However "luatools cmr10.tfm*" showed the proper answer. It seems that this problem is related to the behavior of "luatools --ini plain" which says "LuaTools | no tex file with name plain.tex". Is there something what I missed? Best regards, ChoF.

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on the fly TeX typesetting
by Olivier 27 May '08

27 May '08

Hi all, I'm just wondering how TeX labels in metapost pictures are generated when using mplib: if the set of pictures are all build through the library which saves loading time and hd read/writes, it would be strange to launch another TeX compiler. At the same time, if it were possible to have a set of defines (some macros, like for instance a set up of fonts) for TeX and be able to typeset, say, a vbox on the fly (that is, without having to deal with pages and so on), it would allow several application to take advantage of the typesetting capabilities of TeX. Any plan for a texlib? Olivier

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Re: [NTG-context] bibl-apa.tex wrong?
by Matej Barič 27 May '08

27 May '08

> Originally (years ago already), I reverse-engineered apalike from > latex. It is quite possible I made a error there (or even that > apalike had it wrong) but if no-one reports a bug it is not noticed. > Also, I've had quite a few incorrect bug reports about the styles, so > I am no longer all that eager to change them at a single bug report. > Two questions: do you have a definitive source somewhere? and are > there any other problems you see in bibl-apa.tex I see... well I'd be glad to go through whole APA style recommendation and test bibl-apa.tex, but I'm no expert and currently I am really busy for a few next weeks. I don't have a definitive source, but just about any source I have seen (including Wikipedia and my faculty rules) says bibl-apa.tex is wrong in that case. As I've started using ConTeXT just a few days ago I couldn't have seen any other problems so far but I will collect them if I find them and do a little more research on them. So for now don't bother, but sometime in future I will definitely contact you again if I have some more things to fix. Thanks, matej

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Out of office: ntg-context Digest, Vol 47, Issue 56
by rordorf＠mdpi.org 27 May '08

27 May '08

I am out of office and will return on Thursday, 29 May 2008. Kind regards, Dietrich Rordorf -- Mr. Dietrich Rordorf Molecular Diversity Preservation International (MDPI) Matthaeusstrasse 11, CH-4057 Basel, Switzerland E-mail: rordorf(a)mdpi.org Tel. +41 61 683 77 34 (office) Tel. +41 76 561 41 83 (mobile) Fax +41 61 302 89 18

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new beta
by Hans Hagen 26 May '08

26 May '08

hi, i uploaded a new beta (mostly cleanup and more robust texmf variable expansion) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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fonts and typescripts
by Charles P. Schaum 26 May '08

26 May '08

Thanks, Wolfgang. Now it's all good. Typescripts are a little opaque to me. I need to learn a lot more, to be sure. I want to thank the ConTeXt team for the great work on the product and the docs. I do respect that TeX has a culture and one cannot design a product that is alien to that. I have some thoughts where a few spots in the docs could be friendlier for someone coming from a standpoint of general design and typography. Sort of like "here's how you think with DTP" and "here's how it's done in ConTeXt." I might also suggest a couple of features; I was, however, able to Google for much that I needed (e.g., with character spacing). Yet I'm not one to just butt into people's workflow, given their time and investment. In general I find ConTeXt to be superior in many regards for my needs. Unfortunately, I am not a scientist. I have a bachelor's degree in computer science with a minor in Germanistik, and I have two master's degrees in theology, having studied in Germany and the US. So I want to edit books that celebrate the history of thought and typography. ConTeXt is the best positioned to make beautiful, modern books, surpassing many generally available commercial products. Here's an interesting point: InDesign creates ligatures, but irrespective of what is going on in the actual font. So, unless you use Unicode Greek, Hebrew, Syriac, Arabic, or whatever, the older style fonts that still inhabit the commercial multilingual industry get mangled. TeX and friends are smart and don't do that. They can handle some complicated typography more robustly than many others. InDesign and InCopy use a version control system where one can "check out," "check in," and track changes in a parallel workflow. Grep searching has also been integrated. It seems to me that if something like Scribus had a means to interlink with ConTeXt, cvs / svn or the like, and had a means of automatically generating code and previews, you would have a typesetting system that could compete feature for feature with InDesign and InCopy, and surpass it in some cases. Charles

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XeTeX in ConTeXt
by Charles Doherty 26 May '08

26 May '08

Dear all, I have tried to upgrade ConTeXt using sudo ctxtools --updatecontext followed by sudo texmfstart texexec --make en and sudo texmfstart texexec --make --xetex en Following the upgrade a normal ConTeXt document runs perfectly but when I run XeConTeXt through TeXShop I get the readout below. When I go back to the TeXLive download of TeX everything works. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks, Charlie TeXExec | processing document 'SocialSpace.tex' TeXExec | no ctx file found TeXExec | tex processing method: context TeXExec | TeX run 1 TeXExec | writing option file SocialSpace.top TeXExec | using randomseed 80 TeXExec | tex engine: xetex TeXExec | tex format: cont-en This is XeTeXk, Version 3.141592-2.2-0.996 (Web2C 7.5.6) %&-line parsing enabled. entering extended mode (./SocialSpace.tex ConTeXt ver: 2008.05.21 15:21 MKII fmt: 2008.5.23 int: english/ english language : language en is active system : cont-new loaded (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkii) (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-mtx.tex)) system : cont-old loaded (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex loading : Context Old Macros ) system : cont-fil loaded (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex loading : Context File Synonyms ) system : cont-sys.rme loaded (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex) (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex) (/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/type- xtx.tex))kpathsea: Running mktextfm lmromanslant10-regular mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input lmromanslant10-regular This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.6) kpathsea: Running mktexmf lmromanslant10-regular ! I can't find file `lmromanslant10-regular'. <*> ...; nonstopmode; input lmromanslant10-regular Please type another input file name ! Emergency stop. <*> ...; nonstopmode; input lmromanslant10-regular Transcript written on mfput.log. grep: lmromanslant10-regular.log: No such file or directory mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input lmromanslant10-regular' failed to make lmromanslant10-regular.tfm. kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. bodyfont : 12pt rm is loaded ! Font \*7ptrmslrm*:=lmromanslant10-regular at 7.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or installed font not found. <to be read again> \relax \xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier \let \localrelativefontsiz... \dodosettextfamilyA ...amily \fontsize \endcsname \else \ifcsname \fontbody ... \dosettextfamily ...ttextfamily \scriptscriptfont \let \fontbody \scriptface... <inserted text> ...y \c!bf \dosettextfamily \c!sl \dosettextfamily \c! it \do... \synchronizetext ...athfonts \the \textstrategies \fi ... l.1 \definetypeface[Hoefler][rm][Xserif][Hoefler Text] ? x No pages of output. Transcript written on SocialSpace.log. TeXUtil | parsing file SocialSpace.tui TeXUtil | shortcuts : 169 TeXUtil | expansions: 308 TeXUtil | reductions: 0 TeXUtil | divisions : 0 TeXUtil | loaded files: 1 TeXUtil | temporary files: 0 TeXUtil | commands: 25 TeXUtil | programs: 0 TeXUtil | tuo file saved TeXExec | runtime: 100.320881

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