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DOC/RTF to ConTeXt via XML [was: Re: ConTeXt to RTF Conversion]
by Idris Samawi Hamid 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Thank you so much, Christopher, for your detailed answer! >===== Original Message From Christopher Creutzig <christopher(a)creutzig.de> ===== >Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: >> Would it be possible to define an xml format for the journal so that I >> could more easily process both ConTeXt/LaTeX articles as well as the >> docs and rtfs I generally receive? Is this more work than it's worth? >> It's a humanities journal, so little-to-no math. > If your most pressing problem is the variety of data formats you >receive articles in, then no, xml won't help. You'd still need some way >of transforming the articles to the format of your choice. That being >said, XML may be a very good intermediate step from Word or rtf to >ConTeXt, if only because OpenOffice has pretty advanced import filters >and stores its data in a straightforward xml format that should be easy >to transform, assuming you start with a sufficiently rich set of >predefined formats and somehow get people to either use them (fat >chance, I know) fat chance, perhaps, but maybe...(see below) >or have them be sufficiently different that you can >automatically or at least semi-automatically classify the author's >formatting to your presets. In really simple cases (e.g., pure prose) >you may get away with accepting HTML and converting that. Paul Tremblay's pages seem very useful in this regard: http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/contents.html Question: Is it possible to design a doc or rtf template that Open Office can convert to a sane, consistent xml format? If the Tremblay approach is rich enough, that would solve a lot of problems! Here is my idea: 1. Give each author a doc/rtf template for formatting their article; 2. Use OpenOffice to convert to xml; 3. Use the Tremblay method (have not tried it yet) to process this in Context. Question: Does the entire journal have to be in programmed in xml or can ConTeXt process xml locally? For example, I may have my own article done in COnTeXt mixed with other articles done in rtf=>xml. Any other advice (and/or pitfalls to watch for) would be appreciated. This sounds very promising! Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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Re: [NTG-context] DOC/RTF to ConTeXt via XML
by Duncan Hothersall 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

> Question: Is it possible to design a doc or rtf template that Open Office can > convert to a sane, consistent xml format? OpenOffice.org does allow you to attach an XSLT stylesheet to an export process which therefore allows you to do a (limited) transformation from the visual markup which is its native format to a more structured one which you would need. But the biggest challenge is that all wordprocessors are designed for visual editing, meaning that there are, for example, 15 or so different ways to get a bulleted list in Word, creating 15 or so different RTF constructs, and coping with this can be a nightmare. > If the Tremblay approach is rich > enough, that would solve a lot of problems! Here is my idea: > > 1. Give each author a doc/rtf template for formatting their article; > 2. Use OpenOffice to convert to xml; > 3. Use the Tremblay method (have not tried it yet) to process this in Context. The FO approach (Paul Tremblay's focus) is one way to process XML to paginated output, but there are many others. Personally I don't like the FO approach, for a variety of reasons, but I'm sure others have had success with it. But you should also explore DocBook-in-ConTeXt, which uses ConTeXt's native XML processing capabilities. And don't rule out using a separate scripting language to convert XML into ConTeXt as a batch process, since that will give you the ultimate flexibility in accessing all of ConTeXt's abilities. > Question: Does the entire journal have to be in programmed in xml or can > ConTeXt process xml locally? For example, I may have my own article done in > COnTeXt mixed with other articles done in rtf=>xml. You can just put XML into \startXMLdata ... \stopXMLdata blocks. I do this for MathML processing within a larger ConTeXt document. > Any other advice (and/or pitfalls to watch for) would be appreciated. This > sounds very promising! Horses for courses. It's possible to get sucked into things like an FO implementation or an XML conversion and find that you have spent months perfecting it and it only shaves half an hour off your production time! Also, you do tend to have to make compromises in design if you want to be able to process directly from XML. But if you have sufficient throughput and an appropriate design, it can be a real boon. Hope that helps. Duncan

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[dev-context] RE: [NTG-context] footnote numbering
by Idris Samawi Hamid 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

should be of interest to Albrecht and others... >===== Original Message From "Adam Lindsay" <atl(a)comp.lancs.ac.uk> ===== >{Title\footnote{test}} % 1 >{Title\footnote{test}} % 2 >\incrementnumber[footnote] >Test\footnote{test} % 4? Here is the trick: ================================================ % output=pdf interface=en \setupfootnotes[way=bytext] % the key \starttext {Title\footnote{test}} % 1 {Title\footnote{test}} % 2 \incrementnumber[footnote] %\setupnumber[footnote][start=3] % or %\setnumber[footnote]{3} % or Test\footnote{test} % 4? \stoptext ================================================ best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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footnote bug
by Hans Hagen 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Hi, Just collect the 'real bugs' and i'll look into it asap; i'm away for a few days (dante meeting and such) and will pick up that thread afterwards. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Cont 2005.08.31: problem with vietnamese utf8
by VnPenguin 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Hi all, Just build teTeX 3.0, updated pdftex, ConTeXt and VnTeX on my FreeBSD 6.0-BETA5 box. I follow step by step the description at page http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TeTeX_3.0_installation Now I have: > texexec --version TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004 tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.30.3-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) context : ver: 2005.08.31 cont-en : ver: 2005.08.31 fmt: 2005.9.25 mes: english total run time : 1 seconds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I do a small test with Vietnamese UTF-8 input and the PDF is very strange: accented characters were modified all, see the shot http://people.vnoss.org/~vnpenguin/pub/context/test/test-vn.png In the log file I see: ... fonts : using map file: t5-public-lm [1.1{/usr/local/share/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-empty.map}{ /usr/local/share/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-base.map}{/usr/l ocal/share/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-public-lm.map}{/usr/local/sh are/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-base.map}{/usr/local/share/texmf-lo cal/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-base.map}{/usr/local/share/texmf-loca l/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-public-lm.map}{/usr/local/share/texmf-local /fonts/map/pdftex/context/t5-base.map} Warning: pdfetex (file t5-urw-palatino.map): cannot open font map file ==> I can not found this map file in teTeX's and ConTeXt's installation :( The ConTeXt code & output files of the test: http://people.vnoss.org/~vnpenguin/pub/context/test/ The latest release of VnTeX is 3.01: http://vntex.org . I dont know if it has some things related to ConTeXt's PDF. Anyone could help me please, Thank you so much, Quy NGUYEN DAI -- http://vnoss.org Vietnamese Open Source Software Community

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i18n in BibTeX
by Adam Duck 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

So, I've stumbled across a problem: if you have only two authors in a BibTeX entry, cont-au.bst sets "AuthorA and AuthorB" which is -- IMHO -- unaccaptable for a german document. I had to manually edit cont-au.bst and change a line in FUNCTION {format.lab.names} { 's := s #1 "{vv~}{ll}" format.name$ s num.names$ duplicate$ #2 > { pop$ " et~al." * } { #2 < 'skip$ { s #2 "{ff }{vv }{ll}{ jj}" format.name$ "others" = { " et~al." * } { " and " * s #2 "{vv~}{ll}" format.name$ * } if$ } if$ } if$ "{" swap$ * "}," * } from "and" to "und". Is there a cleaner way? If I typeset an english document now, I'll get an "und"... bye, Adam.

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bugs?
by Idris Samawi Hamid 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Dear gang, A couple of apparent bugs, apparently related: [ConTeXt ver: 2005.08.15 fmt: 2005.8.20 int: english mes: english] ================================================== % output=pdf interface=en \starttext Test.\footnote{Test} Test.\footnote{Test} \stoptext ================================================== The footnote numeral `1' is indented further than the footnote numeral `2'. Similarly: ================================================== % output=pdf interface=en \useURL [Pragma1] [http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm] [] [{\sc Pragma}] \useURL [Pragma2] [http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm] [] [{\sc Pragma}] \starttext \Context\ can be downloaded from \from[Pragma1]. \Context\ can be downloaded from \from[Pragma2]. \stoptext ================================================== The first `Pragma' is indented further than the second. Please advise. Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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`\Context' bug
by Idris Samawi Hamid 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Dear gang, Another apparent bug: [ConTeXt ver: 2005.08.15 fmt: 2005.8.20 int: english mes: english] ================================================== % output=pdf interface=en \starttext \Context\ \stoptext ================================================== The first letter of the logo is roman; the rest of the logo is typewriter. Why? Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] footnote numbering
by Idris Samawi Hamid 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

>can someone tell me, how to set the counter of footnotes (e.g., one back, >or to zero)? Play with this: ============================================== % output=pdf interface=en \starttext Test.\footnote{Test} Test.\footnote{Test} \resetnumber[footnote] Test.\footnote{Test} Test.\footnote{Test} \incrementnumber[footnote] Test.\footnote{Test} Test.\footnote{Test} \decrementnumber[footnote] \decrementnumber[footnote] \decrementnumber[footnote] Test.\footnote{Test} Test.\footnote{Test} \stoptext ============================================== Hans, can one add an option like \decrementnumber[2][footnote] to subract 2 instead of declaring the command three times? Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: [NTG-context] hyperlink references
by Idris Samawi Hamid 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Hi Albrecht, >is it possible to insert hyperlink references in ConTeXt, in analogy to >the \href command in LaTeX? You may play with this: ================================================ % output=pdf interface=en \useURL [Pragma] [http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm] [] [{\sc Pragma}] \useURL [Pragma2] [http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm] [] [{\tt http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm}] \setupcolors[state=start] \setupinteraction[state=start,color=darkgreen] \starttext \Context\ can be downloaded from \from[Pragma]. \Context\ can be downloaded from \from[Pragma2]. \stoptext ================================================ Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

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