January 2008 - ntg-context - NTG Mailing Lists

Need of a new global option for indenting?
by morgan.brassel＠free.fr 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

Hi, Sorry to bother you with this question again, but I didn't get any definitive answer in the previous discussion: wouldn't it be useful to have a new option in \setupindenting that indents EVERY paragraph? I mean even after floats, formulae, heads, etc. It would be easier than to set every 'indentnext' option to 'yes'. My first thought was that it should be the role of the 'always' option. Is it silly? Best regards, Morgan

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Re: [NTG-context] Need of a new global option for indenting?
by Henning Hraban Ramm 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

Am 2008-01-30 um 19:53 schrieb Taco Hoekwater: >> Sorry to bother you with this question again, but I didn't get any >> definitive >> answer in the previous discussion: wouldn't it be useful to have a >> new option in >> \setupindenting that indents EVERY paragraph? I mean even after >> floats, >> formulae, heads, etc. > > This is a french typographical tradition thing, isn't it? Not, it's not only French. I already had (German) customers who demanded every paragraph to be indented. That doesn't mean that it makes sense, but one should be able to activate that behaviour rather easily. Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

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header to register
by Henning Hraban Ramm 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

Ahoi! For a songbook I need a alphabetically sorted TOC. As easy workaround I tried to use an register/index. But I'd like to get my headers into the index without typing \index all the time. But with my following setup I get only garbage numbers instead of my titles: \setuphead[Titel] [style={\hw\tfa}, page=yes, number=no, textcommand=\TitelFrame] \def\TitelFrame#1{\index{#1}% \framed[ width=\textwidth, height=7.5mm, frame=off, align={right,high}, after={}, before={}]% {\switchtobodyfont[12pt]\hw\tfa #1}% } My .tuo file contains lines like: \listentry{Titel}{2}{}{nihil ita ut videtur}{2--0-1-0-0-0-0-0--1}{3}% ... \registerpage{index}{,}{1}{\dowritetolist \@@koppeling {}{nihil ita ut videtur}\v!head }}\fi \executeifdefined {\??ko Titel\c! deeptextcommand }\firstofoneargument {nihil ita ut videtur}\endstrut } {2--0-1-0-0-0-0-0--1}% The 5th instead of the 4th parameter of \listentry is printed in the index. My fault or a bug? Versions: This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6) ConTeXt ver: 2008.01.17 11:52 MKII fmt: 2008.1.17 int: english/ english Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

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page=yes often ignored
by Mojca Miklavec 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

Hello, I often have problems with page breaks in ConTeXt (section titles are often placed at the bottom of the page, but changing anything there might lead to strange side-effects), but perhaps this specific problem is solvable somehow: \setuphead [section] [page=yes] \setuphead [subsection] [page=yes] \starttext \section{a} \input tufte % I would expect a page break here without having to say \page \subsection{b} \input tufte \stoptext Thanks a lot, Mojca

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Descriptions and headerwidth, distance and align
by Wolfgang Schuster 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

Hi all, I tried to use descriptions in a module from me and get a few unwanted and wrong results from the settings. In my first example I try to set the headerwidth to 3cm and the distance between the header and the text to 1cm. The result I get from this example is a 2cm wide header and 2cm between the header and the text. I know the real width for the header is the difference between width and distance and 2cm are correct but this is a stupid method, changing this will break many documents but a alternative solution would be to introduce a label headerwidth. The wrong distance between the header and the text is also a result from this method, the description macros reduce the headerwidth by the distance value and introduce a extra value between the headerbox and the text, this give me twice the distance width and is a bug for me. Another missing thing is a key headeralign, a workaround for moment is to misuse the text key but this should be implemented. \definedescription [test] [width=3cm, text=\hfill, % better headalign=flushright distance=1cm] \starttext \showframe \test{One} Text for the first description. \test{Two} Text for the second description. \stoptext My second example deals with the same problem as above (headerwidth is reduced by distance width) but it gives a completely broken output. I let ConTeXt calculate the width for the header and set a distance value of 1cm between the header and text. This works prefect but the text itself is placed in a box with the width "calculated textwidth - distance" and this is not enough room for the text and it is broken into two lines. \definedescription [test] [width=fit, distance=1cm] \starttext \test{First description} Text for the first description. \test{Second description} Text for the second description. \stoptext Greetings, Wolfgang

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Numbers in Tables
by Bart Wise 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

The code below defines a number and then on each row, displays then increments the number. The number is defined and reset to 0 before the table is declared. However, when the number is displayed in the table, it's not zero as expected, but some other number (usually between 3 and 9). The reset at reset point #1 does reset the number to 0, but it doesn't stay that way when the table is declared. The only thing I have found to work, is to define a row and column and put the reset there (see reset point #2). I would like to declare and reset the number outside of the table definition, but it doesn't seem to work. What am I doing wrong? \definenumber[MyNum] \starttext \resetnumber[MyNum] % reset point #1 \bTABLE % \bTR\bTD \resetnumber[MyNum] \eTD\eTR % reset point #2 \bTR\bTD \getnumber[MyNum]\incrementnumber[MyNum] \eTD\eTR \bTR\bTD \getnumber[MyNum]\incrementnumber[MyNum] \eTD\eTR \bTR\bTD \getnumber[MyNum]\incrementnumber[MyNum] \eTD\eTR \bTR\bTD \getnumber[MyNum]\incrementnumber[MyNum] \eTD\eTR \eTABLE \stoptext

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missing MP shading
by Peter Rolf 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

hi list, i have some problems with reusing a picture in mp. the shading is missing, if the picture is shifted to another position (see minimal example). any help welcome. [program versions: the latest, the greatest..] greetings, peter \setuppagenumber[state=stop] \setupcolors[state=start] \startuniqueMPgraphic{test} save p,q; picture p; path q; q:= unitsquare xyscaled (OverlayWidth,.5OverlayHeight); p:= image(linear_shade(q,6,red,green)); addto currentpicture also p; addto currentpicture also (p yshifted .5OverlayHeight); \stopuniqueMPgraphic \defineoverlay[test] [\uniqueMPgraphic{test}] \starttext \framed[width=10cm,height=10cm,background=test]{} \stoptext

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update
by Hans Hagen 29 Jan '08

29 Jan '08

Hi, i uploaded a fix for the reported problems; the uploaded version also uses lua for locating files that have to be included; this should work with the mkiv xml too (i forgot who asked for that but i needed it myself too) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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MKIV Chinese typesetting
by Yue Wang 29 Jan '08

29 Jan '08

Dear Hans and other friends: I play a little bit on MKIV's Chinese support and find it is incomplete. It has some serious problems, and lack important features as well. Well, I know it from mk.pdf that Chinese support is under construction, so in this email I just want to give some Chinese horizontal typesetting suggestions for development (vertical typesetting are more frequently used in Hongkong, Taiwan and Japan, so maybe people from there are eager to help): first, a features many Chinese people like: a lot of Chinese users write essays using full-width punct (that is, a punct mark is as the same size as the Chinese characters) and I found that the puncts are compressed well in context with good penalty settings(although there are minor problems in the pdf). however, sometimes it is up to the publisher which kind of punct marks are to be used, and usually many scientific books and papers use half-width puncts. so I think a new feature should be added to map all the Chinese puncts into english while at the same time, a space should be added after the English punct marks. that is, changing 中文，中文 into 中文, 中文 notice the space in the second example there is an opentype feature called hwid, but it should not be used because: - it changes the English alphabets as well - most of the time the function in most Chinese fonts is missing or buggy - it does not automatically add the space These are the minor problems in the mk.pdf: - pp118, penultimate example, box 2, line1, the ' punct mark should not appear at the end of the line - pp118, ultimate example, box 2, line2, in fact, if you want do perfect Chinese typesetting, all the puncts which begin a line or end a line should be closed to the margin line which makes the type block look good (especially when watch the right or left edge of the type block closely) while this ' has many space before it. In English, it is quite easy and the good old tex does a good job because all the letters and puncts are designed carefully, but in Chinese things are much difficult because all the glyphs including the puncts in all the Chinese fonts have the same width, and which makes the problem worse is that different Chinese fonts have different positions for these puncts. So a dynamic way which calculates the most left edge and most right edge of a punct glyph should be used, and it is not available in luatex:( will it be added later? second, and the most important, on the bilingual typesetting: nowadays English words are frequently used in Chinese, so great care must be taken to handle it. many Chinese users write their manuscript in one of the two ways: 中文 English 中文 or 中文English中文 The first way looks good when using a editor with mono space font and the second way is convenient for one to type. So both users will happy if both ways get the same result in context. in MKII, users are forced to use such kind of expression which drives them crazy and should be avoided: 中文English\ 中文 A small skip should be left between Chinese and English which makes the result much better. usually the space is a quarter of a chinese character width. A TeX expression should like: \hspace{0.25em plus 0.125em minus 0.08em} but I think it is better to introduce a \setupxxxwidth for the user. The last important thing for English and Chinese bi-lingual typesetting is that: do not use English glyphs in Chinese fonts because: - recently English glyphs in most of the Chinese fonts are ugly - users have no right to modify the Chinese fonts - many other reasons so when set up a Chinese typeface, it is better to leave a feature for the user to choose the accompany english typeface. while typesetting, Chinese typography rules do not interfere with the english one, that is, chinese part and english part use their own line break model. here are two bugs in recent context: - 中文 English English English 中文will produce 中文EnglishEnglishEnglish中文, the spaces between english words are all missing. - the following script produce an error: Invalid field id penalty for node type glyph (1). Here is a sample: \definefontfeature[chinese][mode=node,script=hang,lang=zht,script=hani,lang=dlft] \definefontsynonym[songti][name:AdobeSongStd-Light][features=Chinese] \definefontsynonym[Serif][songti] definetypeface[song][rm][serif][songti] \setupbodyfont[song,12pt,rm] \starttext 中文 English: 中文 \stoptext third, indenting: Chinese paragraphs are indented with two Chinese characters, and we also indent the first paragraph. context is so powerful that it is easy to do these kind of things, thank you:) and i think it is better to write it into the Chinese typesetting module? Urgency: bi-lingual typesetting > fix the wrong panelty > map the english punct maps as an alternative > indenting > puncts should be close to margin lines. I am eager to see full support for chinese and other Asian languages (and I am eager to help too), and i hope my suggestions here are helpful to the developers. I am grateful to Hans, Taco and and many other guys (eg. Zhichu Chen) that did a very good job in recent MKIV Chinese support. Thank you for your time and effort for continuous contributions! Yue Wang

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the new minimal is broken
by Yue Wang 28 Jan '08

28 Jan '08

Hi, I see the Jan 26 version of context so I just want to upgrade my system. As what I did before, go to http://minimals.contextgarden.net/ and download the file, unzip it and run. after rsync, it cannot generate the mkiv format (other formats are fine) I run Debian on x86 intel machine. I had done this several times in the past month and everything is fine. btw, why is download speed so slow these days? after hours of rsync it finally began to generate the format.... here is the message. yulewang@yulewang-laptop:~$ luatools --generate LuaTools | skipping /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-local/web2c/texmf.cnf LuaTools | skipping /home/yulewang/tex/texmfcontext/web2c/texmf.cnf LuaTools | loading /home/yulewang/tex/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf LuaTools | preparing configuration in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/f11a54178c00c3cdaccd8417314427ac.tma LuaTools | saving configuration in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/f11a54178c00c3cdaccd8417314427ac.tma LuaTools | compiling configuration to ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/f11a54178c00c3cdaccd8417314427ac.tmc LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-local LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-linux LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-project LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-fonts LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-extra LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf LuaTools | scanning path /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-linux LuaTools | 91 files found on 9 directories with 0 uppercase remappings LuaTools | scanning path /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context LuaTools | 1310 files found on 125 directories with 0 uppercase remappings LuaTools | scanning path /home/yulewang/tex/texmf LuaTools | 2381 files found on 71 directories with 60 uppercase remappings LuaTools | preparing files in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/5ff63bc52b0899f5d4695d75d1c8514d.tma LuaTools | saving files in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/5ff63bc52b0899f5d4695d75d1c8514d.tma LuaTools | compiling files to ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/5ff63bc52b0899f5d4695d75d1c8514d.tmc LuaTools | preparing files in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/6e2168099f58cbef07851e598e514561.tma LuaTools | saving files in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/6e2168099f58cbef07851e598e514561.tma LuaTools | compiling files to ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/6e2168099f58cbef07851e598e514561.tmc LuaTools | preparing files in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/23216e94fb804835110a994ec20c8ebd.tma LuaTools | saving files in ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/23216e94fb804835110a994ec20c8ebd.tma LuaTools | compiling files to ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/23216e94fb804835110a994ec20c8ebd.tmc LuaTools | LuaTools | runtime: 0.118 seconds yulewang@yulewang-laptop:~$ luatools --ini --compile --verbose cont-en LuaTools | version 1.1.1 - 2006+ - PRAGMA ADE / CONTEXT LuaTools | skipping configuration for /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-local/web2c from ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/cf8deca617384693aab431d70cfbafb8 LuaTools | skipping configuration for /home/yulewang/tex/texmfcontext/web2c from ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/26df17777c855a551396d6656aab46d9 LuaTools | loading configuration for /home/yulewang/tex/texmf/web2c from ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/f11a54178c00c3cdaccd8417314427ac LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-local LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-linux LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-project LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-fonts LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-extra LuaTools | locating list of /home/yulewang/tex/texmf LuaTools | loading files for /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-linux from ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/5ff63bc52b0899f5d4695d75d1c8514d LuaTools | loading files for /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context from ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/23216e94fb804835110a994ec20c8ebd LuaTools | loading files for /home/yulewang/tex/texmf from ///home/yulewang/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/63cdb1aecb6460757eca78b5141d56c4/trees/6e2168099f58cbef07851e598e514561 LuaTools | creating initialization file cont-en LuaTools | using library path : /home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base LuaTools | using lua libraries: l-string.lua l-lpeg.lua l-table.lua l-boolean.lua l-number.lua l-set.lua l-unicode.lua l-md5.lua l-os.lua l-io.lua l-file.lua l-dir.lua l-utils.lua l-tex.lua luat-lib.lua luat-inp.lua luat-tmp.lua luat-zip.lua luat-tex.lua LuaTools | using compiled initialization file cont-en.luc LuaTools | using lua initialization file cont-en.luc LuaTools | running command: luatex --ini "--lua=cont-en.luc" "/home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-en.tex" \\dump This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.20.2-2007121714 (Web2C 7.5.6) (INITEX) ! I can't find file `--lua=cont-en.luc'. <*> "--lua=cont-en.luc" "/home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/c... Please type another input file name: ! Emergency stop. <*> "--lua=cont-en.luc" "/home/yulewang/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/c... No pages of output. Transcript written on texput.log. Yue Wang

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