February 2007 - dev-context - NTG Mailing Lists

Improved support for Norwegian in ConTeXt
by Karl Ove Hufthammer 10 Feb '07

10 Feb '07

I'm writing this to suggest improvements in ConTeXt's support for the Norwegian languages. ConTeXt already has rudimentary support for Norwegian, but with some problems. Language codes -------------- The main problem is that ConTeXt use the language code 'no' for Norwegian. There actually *is* no written language called 'Norwegian'; Norway has two official written languages, Norwegian Bokmål (ISO 639 language code 'nb') and Norwegian Nynorsk (ISO 639 language code 'nn'). The current definitions for 'no' in ConTeXt is for Norwegian Bokmål. (There is a ISO 639 language code 'no' for Norwegian, but this should usually be used for spoken Norwegian, or perhaps for transcriptions of spoken language.) The language code 'no' should be removed, and be replaced by the two language codes 'nb' and 'nn'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language for a (not too good) article on the Norwegian languages. For the record, the language names used in LaTeX/Babel is (unfortunately) 'Norwegian' and 'norsk' for Norwegian Bokmål, and 'nynorsk' for Norwegian Nynorsk, instead of 'bokmal'/'bokmål' and 'nynorsk'. Norwegian Bokmål support was added first, and used up the 'Norwegian' name. Hyphenation ----------- The two written language are quite similar, and the current hyphenation dictionary (nohyphbx) was made to support both. But there are (at least) two words which are put in the hyphenation exceptions for this dictionary because they would have different hyphenation (because of different meaning) in Norwegian Nynorsk and Norwegian Bokmål. These are: attende -- nb: at-ten-de ('eighteenth'), nn: att-en-de ('back') betre -- nb: be-tre ('enter'/'set foot on'), nn: bet-re ('better') Would it be possible to have two different hyphenation dictionaries for 'nb' and 'nn', which would only differ in the hyphenation exceptions used for these two words? Language setup -------------- Here is an improved/correct version of the language setup for Norwegian. The setup for 'no' should be removed. \installlanguage [nn] [spacing=packed, lefthyphenmin=2, righthyphenmin=2, leftsentence=---, rightsentence=---, leftsubsentence=---, rightsubsentence=---, leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote, rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote, leftquotation=\leftguillemot, rightquotation=\rightguillemot, date={day,{.},\ ,month,\ ,year}, state=stop] This is for Norwegian Nynorsk ('nn'), but the same setup is used for Norwegian Bokmål (the values used for 'day' differ, though -- see below). But I am not sure I understand what the four *sentence commands are used for. We usually don't use em-dashes in Norwegian, so the entries look incorrect. If you can explain what the commands are used for, I can supply the correct Norwegian definitions. I also noticed that the Italian definitions use leftspeech, middlespeech and rightspeech commands. What are these used for? Other language-specific settings -------------------------------- Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk) differs typographically from English in several other ways. Here is three of them: We don't (usually) use bullets for the first level of unnumbered lists; we use en-dashes. -- Item 1 -- Item 2 -- Item 3 Bullets are commonly seen in document created by word processors of US origin, and in the documents created by people without proper typographic training, though. It would be nice if ConTeXt could use en-dashes by default for lists in Norwegian text. We don't use full stops in numbered lists. In other words, instead of 1. Item 1 2. Item 2 3. Item 3 we write 1 Item 1 2 Item 2 3 Item 3 The same holds for numbered headings, both in the main text and in the TOC. Would it be possible to support this by default in ConTeXt? We also use the comma in decimal numbers (3,14 instead of 3.14). Norwegian labels ---------------- Here is labels for Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk). The old 'no' labels should be removed. The 'nb' ones are taken from the 'no' ones, but with some corrections. Some comments: We don't usually capitalise the first letter in crossreferences. Where one would in English write See Figure 5.22 ... we would write Se figur 5.22 ... (Bokmål) Sjå figur 5.22 ... (Nynorsk) But we would of course write Figur 5.22 viser ... (Figure 5.22 shows ...) The definitions below use a capital first letter. Will this be a problem? I was also unsure about what the 'lines' label should be. The plural of 'line' ('linje') in Norwegian (both 'nb' and 'nn') is 'linjer', but we do not use the plural when referencing more than one line. Where one would write The discussion on lines 5--13 ... in English, we would write Drøftinga på linje 5--13 ... in Norwegian. In other words, we use the singular instead of the plural. The same holds for the other cross-referencing terms ('Figure', 'Table' &c.). Feel free to change the 'lines' label to 'linje' if this make it work better. \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!content=Innhold] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!content=Innhald] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!tables=Tabeller] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!tables=Tabellar] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!figures=Figurer] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!figures=Figurar] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!graphics=Bilde] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!graphics=Bilete] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!intermezzi=Intermesso] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!intermezzi=Intermesso] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!index=Register] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!index=Register] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!abbreviations=Forkortelser] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!abbreviations=Forkortingar] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!logos=Logoer] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!logos=Logoar] \setupheadtext [\s!nb] [\v!units=Enheter] \setupheadtext [\s!nn] [\v!units=Einingar] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!table=Tabell ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!table=Tabell ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!figure=Figur ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!figure=Figur ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!intermezzo=Intermesso ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!intermezzo=Intermesso ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!graphic=Bilde ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!graphic=Bilete ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!chapter=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!chapter=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!section=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!section=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!subsection=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!subsection=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!subsubsection=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!subsubsection=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!subsubsubsection=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!subsubsubsection=] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!appendix=] % Tillegg \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!appendix=] % Tillegg \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!part=Del] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!part=Del] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!line=linje ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!line=linje ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!lines=linjer ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!lines=linjer ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!january=januar] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!february=februar] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!march=mars] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!april=april] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!may=mai] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!june=juni] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!july=juli] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!august=august] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!september=september] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!october=oktober] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!november=november] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!december=desember] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!january=januar] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!february=februar] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!march=mars] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!april=april] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!may=mai] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!june=juni] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!july=juli] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!august=august] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!september=september] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!october=oktober] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!november=november] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!december=desember] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!sunday=s\ostroke ndag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!monday=mandag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!tuesday=tirsdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!wednesday=onsdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!thursday=torsdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!friday=fredag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!saturday=l\ostroke rdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!sunday=sundag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!monday=m\aring ndag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!tuesday=tysdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!wednesday=onsdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!thursday=torsdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!friday=fredag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!saturday=laurdag] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!page=side ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!atpage=p\aring\ side ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!hencefore=som vist over] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!hereafter=som vist under] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!see=se ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!page=side ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!atpage=p\aring\ side ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!hencefore=som vist over] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!hereafter=som vist under] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!see=sj\aring\ ] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!january :\s!mnem=jan.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!february :\s!mnem=feb.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!march :\s!mnem=mars] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!april :\s!mnem=april] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!may :\s!mnem=mai] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!june :\s!mnem=juni] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!july :\s!mnem=juli] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!august :\s!mnem=aug.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!september:\s!mnem=sep.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!october :\s!mnem=okt.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!november :\s!mnem=nov.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nb] [\v!december :\s!mnem=des.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!january :\s!mnem=jan.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!february :\s!mnem=feb.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!march :\s!mnem=mars] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!april :\s!mnem=april] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!may :\s!mnem=mai] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!june :\s!mnem=juni] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!july :\s!mnem=juli] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!august :\s!mnem=aug.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!september:\s!mnem=sep.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!october :\s!mnem=okt.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!november :\s!mnem=nov.] \setuplabeltext [\s!nn] [\v!december :\s!mnem=des.] Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. :) -- Karl Ove Hufthammer E-mail and Jabber: karl(a)huftis.org

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[contexttest-Feature Requests][72] Extending \placefloat{top,left}. {bottom,outer}, ...
by contexttest-featurerequests＠foundry.supelec.fr 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Feature Requests item #72, was opened at 2007-02-05 01:12 You can respond by visiting: http://foundry.supelec.fr/tracker/?func=detail&atid=164&aid=72&group_id=21 Or by replying to this e-mail entering your response between the following markers: #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ (enter your response here) #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ Status: Open Priority: 3 Submitted By: Mojca Miklavec (mojca) Assigned to: Nobody (None) Summary: Extending \placefloat{top,left}. {bottom,outer}, ... Version: None Category: None Initial Comment: (From contextgarden.net) The \placefigure macro should be extended to combinations like \placefigure{top,left} or \placefigure{bottom,outer} The reason for this request is that we use ConTeXt a lot for typesetting books from "arts and humanities". There we often have to place a lot of (more then 100) figures at "fixed" positions like top-outer and bottom-inner, wrapped by text. I guess it's not a trivial feature to be implemented in TeX's paragraph processing, but I know it might be worth the effort: ConTeXt's way to deal with fonts and text is so superior that it should be also accessible for disciplines that besides text also rely on images - as the arts and humanities do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mojca Miklavec (mojca) Date: 2007-02-09 06:09 Message: The original post was here: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2005/013891.html Hans sent some code - so those who would like to use floating text around figures - go for testing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://foundry.supelec.fr/tracker/?func=detail&atid=164&aid=72&group_id=21

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[contexttest-Feature Requests][72] Extending \placefloat{top,left}. {bottom,outer}, ...
by contexttest-featurerequests＠foundry.supelec.fr 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Feature Requests item #72, was opened at 2007-02-05 01:12 You can respond by visiting: http://foundry.supelec.fr/tracker/?func=detail&atid=164&aid=72&group_id=21 Or by replying to this e-mail entering your response between the following markers: #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ (enter your response here) #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ Status: Open Priority: 3 Submitted By: Mojca Miklavec (mojca) Assigned to: Nobody (None) Summary: Extending \placefloat{top,left}. {bottom,outer}, ... Version: None Category: None Initial Comment: (From contextgarden.net) The \placefigure macro should be extended to combinations like \placefigure{top,left} or \placefigure{bottom,outer} The reason for this request is that we use ConTeXt a lot for typesetting books from "arts and humanities". There we often have to place a lot of (more then 100) figures at "fixed" positions like top-outer and bottom-inner, wrapped by text. I guess it's not a trivial feature to be implemented in TeX's paragraph processing, but I know it might be worth the effort: ConTeXt's way to deal with fonts and text is so superior that it should be also accessible for disciplines that besides text also rely on images - as the arts and humanities do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://foundry.supelec.fr/tracker/?func=detail&atid=164&aid=72&group_id=21

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regression testing: 3 tex errors
by Sanjoy Mahajan 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Here are the three compilation errors (first one from each file with an error). The Unicode and ec-iwona errors were mentioned before, so I'm skipping them here. svn says who contributed the test files. Taco, do you know if these tests are outdated, or whether a behavior has changed but shouldn't have? -Sanjoy ====================================================================== [r2 | taco | 2006-03-31 10:15:34 -0500 (Fri, 31 Mar 2006)] [the remaining unicode tables] ./tex/context/base/unic-031.tex/test-001.tex:21: Undefined control sequence. \@default@greekEpsilonvaria ->\varia \greekEpsilon <argument> ...ode \strut \unicodechar \entrypoint \endgraf }\tt \chardef \ut... \handleTBLcell ...{\bTBLCELL \TBLcharalign {#2}{#4 }\eTBLCELL \inTBLcell {#1}... <inserted text> ...3}\nexttblcol \makeTBL {10}{14} \nexttblcol \makeTBL {10}{... \endTBL ...x {\trialtypesettingtrue \the \tbltoks }\settbldis \maximumcol {\... \eTABLE ...}}\eTBL }\removeunwantedspaces \endTBL \stopTBLprocessing \fi \eg... ... ====================================================================== [r15 | taco | 2006-05-18 02:53:51 -0400 (Thu, 18 May 2006)] [\startalign tests] ./tex/context/base/core-mat.tex/test-001.tex:25: Extra alignment tab has been changed to \cr. <template> $}\endtemplate \doalignNC #1->& #1 l.25 ... + b_1 y \NC = c_1 \NC d_1 u + e_1 v \NC = f_1 \NR ====================================================================== [r2 | taco | 2006-03-31 10:15:34 -0500 (Fri, 31 Mar 2006)] [the remaining unicode tables] ./tex/context/base/unic-002.tex/test-001.tex:21: Missing \endcsname inserted. <to be read again> \numexpr \univ2 ...stroke \or \Lbar \else \ifcase \numexpr #1-83\relax \bhook \or \un... \utf!3! ... \csname \@@univector #1\endcsname {#2} \endcsname <argument> ...ode \strut \unicodechar \entrypoint \endgraf }\tt \chardef \ut... \handleTBLcell ...{\bTBLCELL \TBLcharalign {#2}{#4 }\eTBLCELL \inTBLcell {#1}... <inserted text> ...}{5}\nexttblcol \makeTBL {2}{6} \nexttblcol \makeTBL {2}{7... ... l.21 ...{\scale[factor=max]{\showunicodetable[002] }}

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new MyWay about \sometxt
by Mojca Miklavec 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Hello, instead of checking the problems with MyWay about database module, I created another unfinished piece about \sometxt (as promised already long ago): http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/sometxt.pdf \sometxt{...} should be used instead of textext("...") in metafun graphics whenever possible, since it's much more efficient. An average user shouldn't care about much more than that. The MyWay is devoted to the curious ones. I hope that I included all the major ideas which Hans implemented in Summer/Autumn 2006 on my request. Although not all of them are documented well enough, I tried to mention them at least. The document is full of mistakes and badly formulated sentences (I should start reading more English literature instead of mailing lists and articles ;). I wellcome any suggestions for improving it. Thanks to Hans van der Meer who provided me the first feedback ;) Just two questions left for Hans H. (Hans v. d. M. has brought up exactly the same questions as I had a while ago): 1.) wouldn't it make sense to use \chardef\TeXtextcolormode\zerocount as the default value? I don't see any advantages of setting it to "one" (but I might have overseen something). Can you please take a look at page 4 of the above listed MyWay and tell me if I forgot something? 2.) Why does \textext still rely on its older brother textext(...), when it could be a synonym for \sometxt{...} instead? I really don't see any advantage of \textext{...} over \sometxt{...}. \textext{...} canonot be used for concatenating strings or creating dynamic labels either. It's just a picture, just as \sometxt ... And it would probably also be more straightforward to explain to metafun users that textext("...") should now be \textext{...} instead of trying to explain them that it's best to use some completely new command. Thanks a lot, Mojca

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[contexttest-Bugs][75] nonzero interlinespace makes description lists be vertically misaligned
by contexttest-bugs＠foundry.supelec.fr 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Bugs item #75, was opened at 2007-02-08 09:16 You can respond by visiting: http://foundry.supelec.fr/tracker/?func=detail&atid=161&aid=75&group_id=21 Or by replying to this e-mail entering your response between the following markers: #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ (enter your response here) #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ Status: Open Priority: 3 Submitted By: Taco Hoekwater (taco) Assigned to: Hans Hagen (hagen) Summary: nonzero interlinespace makes description lists be vertically misaligned Resolution: Accepted Version: None Category: macros Initial Comment: Johan Sandblom wrote: >> Sorry to be a pest, but does anyone have an idea on this? >> >> Johan >> >> Consider the example below. It results in a list of synonyms that are >> vertically misaligned with their meanings. What can I do? >> >> Regards, Johan >> >> % Example file >> \definesynonyms[abbreviation][abbreviations][\infull] >> \setupsynonyms[abbreviations][criterium=all] >> \setupinterlinespace[auto, big] >> >> \starttext >> >> \completelistofabbreviations >> >> \abbreviation{EEG} {Electroencephalogram} >> \abbreviation{ERP} {Event-Related Potentials} >> >> \EEG, \ERP >> >> \stoptext I've narrowed the problem down to one of the internal macros. With this: \unprotect \bgroup \def\@@makedescriptionpurebox #1{} \completelistofabbreviations \egroup \protect the abbreviation list looks ok to me. However, that is a quick hack that fixes the abbreviations only, at the expense of breaking (lots) other stuff. I'll convert this message to a bug tracker item. Best, Taco ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://foundry.supelec.fr/tracker/?func=detail&atid=161&aid=75&group_id=21

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Re: [dev-context] [Fwd: Re: Debian Context Font problems]
by Boguslaw Jackowski 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi, > Here a short report: The following file: Thank you for the concise note. I'd be glad if I could have also the screen shots, unless preparing them is too cumbersome and time-consuming for you. Cheers -- Jacko -- BOP s. c. ul. Bora-Komorowskiego 24, 80-377 Gdansk, Poland tel. (+48 58) 553 46 59, fax (+48 58) 511 03 81 bop(a)bop.com.pl, http://www.bop.com.pl

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(fwd) Bug#409749: ppchtex broken
by Norbert Preining 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

forwarded 409749 dev-context(a)ntg.nl thanks Hi Hans and all ConTeXt devs, Please see attached bug report I got on the Debian BTS, which includes also a fix. ----- Forwarded message from Soeren Sonnenburg <bugreports(a)nn7.de> ----- > From: Soeren Sonnenburg <bugreports(a)nn7.de> > Subject: Bug#409749: ppchtex broken > Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:07:33 +0100 > > ppchex will always fail with > > ===snip=== > ! Undefined control sequence. > \dosetsubscript #1#2#3->\dimen 0=#3\fontexheight > #2\setxvalue {@@\string #1\... > l.158 \stopchemical > ===snip=== > > as fontexheight is undefined in /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/ppchtex.tex > > To fix this one needs to add the following line to ppchtex.tex > (to for example line 15) > > \input syst-fnt.tex ----- End forwarded message ----- Best wishes Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Norbert Preining <preining(a)logic.at> Università di Siena Debian Developer <preining(a)debian.org> Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TUMBY (n.) The involuntary abdominal gurgling which fills the silence following someone else's intimate personal revelation. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff

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[Fwd: Re: Debian Context Font problems]
by Hans Hagen 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi, Concerning the lm rendering problems ... Jacko would like to have a report on this so that they can take it into account. Similar problems could occur with the tex-gyre fonts. Hans -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Debian Context Font problems
by Mike Bird 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi Norbert, Here's a simple test case illustrative of the reason why I don't use Debian Context packages 2007.01.23-1 and 2007.01.23-2. \starttext \S1 \blank[big] \S2\crlf\S3 \stoptext In 2007.01.12.2-1 this works fine but in later contexts the section symbols are so tall that those for 2 and 3 overlap. Here's the pdffont output for the PDF generated by 01.12: name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ------------ --- --- --- --------- JWRWBM+LMRoman12-Regular Type 1 yes yes yes 7 0 BRHVGD+CMSY10 Type 1 yes yes no 10 0 And here's the pdffont output for the PDF generated by 01.23: name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ------------ --- --- --- --------- EXKOFC+LMRoman12-Regular Type 1 yes yes yes 7 0 JRTCBR+LMMathSymbols10-Italic Type 1 yes yes no 10 0 The section symbols look OK once they reach print preview but the mess in the PDF viewer from section symbols and other characters means that I have to keep using 2007.01.12.2-1 for now. My lmodern is 1.00-3 and my pdftex is pdfetex 1.30.5-2.2 from texlive-base-bin 2005.dfsg.2-10. Is this something you can reproduce or something I've messed up in my configuration? Thanks, --Mike Bird

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