New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations. 1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally. 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation. Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem. Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications) 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle] options are ignored as options and appear as text. 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not aligned with other protrusion. 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all. 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation. 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the bibliography system in use. \showframe \definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality] \setupalign [hz,hanging] % The next line should allow \startquotation to protrude quotes properly \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] %================== % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following %\setupbibtex[database=sample.bib] % requires sample.bib in current directory %------------------ % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following \definebtxdataset [sample] % finds and uses distribution sample.bib \usebtxdataset [sample.bib] %================== \starttext \startparagraph There is a citation in the footnote to this standard paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].} \stopparagraph \startparagraph \startquotation[right] There is a citation in the footnote to this block quotation\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[hh2010a].} \stopquotation \stopparagraph \startparagraph \startquotation[right] There is no citation in the footnote to this block quotation\footnote{This footnote has no citation.} \stopquotation \stopparagraph \startparagraph \quotation{There is a citation in the footnote to this non-block quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}} \stopparagraph \startparagraph \quotation{There is no citation in the footnote to this non-block quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}} \stopparagraph \startparagraph “There is a citation in the footnote to this standard paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}” \stopparagraph \startparagraph “There is no citation in the footnote to this standard paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}” \stopparagraph \blank[big] %================== % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following %\placepublications %------------------ % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following \placelistofpublications %================== \stoptext -- Rik
On 2015-10-23 14:40, Rik Kabel wrote:
At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally. 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation. Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem. Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications) 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle] options are ignored as options and appear as text. 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not aligned with other protrusion. 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all. 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation. 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the bibliography system in use.
Further testing shows that the failure to compile issue (#1 and #2 above) is tied to processing @ARTICLE bib entries. The failure occurs in and out of footnotes and startquotation blocks. I really was too deep into a wrong view of the problem to see that before. That is pretty clearly a bug. The issue with method=font and left, right, middle (#3, #4, #5 above) is still problematic. This is not tied to the bibliography system. -- Rik
Rik Kabel mailto:context@rik.users.panix.com 23. Oktober 2015 um 20:40 At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally. 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation. Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem. Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications) You have to change the following definition in publ-imp-default.mkvi:
\definebtx [\s!default:\s!list:title:article] [\s!default:\s!list:title] - [\c!style=, % journal is set in italics - \c!command={\quotation\Word}] + [\c!style={\setcharactercasing[\v!Word]}, + \c!command=\quotation]
3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle] options are ignored as options and appear as text. When you use method=font context using a different rendering mechanism for the quotation block without the optional argument. 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not aligned with other protrusion. 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all. When you use the default method context puts the quotation marks in a box which is only moved into the margin independant of protrusion. 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation. See 2. 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the bibliography system in use. Wolfgang
On 10/23/2015 8:40 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally. 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation. Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem. Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications) 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle] options are ignored as options and appear as text. 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not aligned with other protrusion. 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all. 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation. 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the bibliography system in use.
\showframe
\definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality] \setupalign [hz,hanging]
% The next line should allow \startquotation to protrude quotes properly \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
%================== % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following %\setupbibtex[database=sample.bib] % requires sample.bib in current directory %------------------ % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following \definebtxdataset [sample] % finds and uses distribution sample.bib \usebtxdataset [sample.bib] %==================
\starttext \startparagraph There is a citation in the footnote to this standard paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].} \stopparagraph
\startparagraph \startquotation[right] There is a citation in the footnote to this block quotation\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[hh2010a].} \stopquotation \stopparagraph
\startparagraph \startquotation[right] There is no citation in the footnote to this block quotation\footnote{This footnote has no citation.} \stopquotation \stopparagraph
\startparagraph \quotation{There is a citation in the footnote to this non-block quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}} \stopparagraph
\startparagraph \quotation{There is no citation in the footnote to this non-block quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}} \stopparagraph
\startparagraph “There is a citation in the footnote to this standard paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}” \stopparagraph
\startparagraph “There is no citation in the footnote to this standard paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}” \stopparagraph
\blank[big]
%================== % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following %\placepublications %------------------ % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following \placelistofpublications %==================
\stoptext
first hang in par fixed in the luatex engine so you have to wait till we release Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On 11/2/2015 9:53 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
\definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
btw that is bad, should be: \definefontfeature [default][default][protrusion=quality] as adding protrusion out of some quality argument doesn't go well with removing kerns and ligatures Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On 2015-11-02 04:05, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 11/2/2015 9:53 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
\definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
btw that is bad, should be:
\definefontfeature [default][default][protrusion=quality]
as adding protrusion out of some quality argument doesn't go well with removing kerns and ligatures
Hans
Yes, definitely. Thank you for pointing that out. And thank you, in advance, for the fix. -- Rik
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