Hi Karl, Thanks for looking at this. On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Karl Berry mailto:karl@freefriends.org> wrote: rm> ... test the full name (including œפער.œפעשs) first, for a datbase entry. If found, use it. Otherwise, try again using just the prefix (as at present). That surely sounds sensible. Or in case a name is multiply qualified; e.g., delta.sc.ipa (occurs in cmu-tipx.enc ) also omega.sc.ipa q.sc.ipa f.sc.ipa then drop off the qualifications from the end. So test in order: delta.sc.ipa delta.sc delta Ack. Thanh, can you confirm that we should go ahead with this plan? The point is that Unicode is not about glyphs, but characters. This is stated very clearly in the Unicode documentation, and on numerous websites. Then ‘character’ should be interpreted as 'how a (collection of) glyph(s) is used’. Thus 'a' and 'a.sc’ are used differently; the latter usually for some form of emphasis, as in section headings or running headers, rather than the body text. So it’s not just a matter of a different font style for these words. It’s quite reasonable for Copy/Paste and screen- or Braille-readers to be able to detect this difference, via the /ToUnicode map. Using just the glyph name 'a' is fine as a fall-back, but it should be up to the document author or package-writer to enrich the full name with a more descriptive Unicode point, when this is appropriate. At present pdftex prevents it, when using \pdfglyphtounicode . The only alternative, so far as I can see, is to provide an explicit CMap file, after having temporarily set \pdfgentounicode=0 when the font is loaded. This is hard to get correct and to find the right place to hook-in the relevant coding. Actually, another possibility is editing both the font and its encoding file - - something that I’m sure we don’t want people doing. Thanks, Karl Hope this helps. Cheers, Ross Dr Ross Moore Mathematics Dept | 12 Wally’s Walk, 734 Macquarie University, NSW 2109, Australia T: +61 2 9850 8955 | F: +61 2 9850 8114 M:+61 407 288 255 | E: ross.moore@mq.edu.aumailto:ross.moore@mq.edu.au http://www.maths.mq.edu.au [cid:image001.png@01D030BE.D37A46F0]http://mq.edu.au/ CRICOS Provider Number 00002J. Think before you print. Please consider the environment before printing this email. This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Macquarie University.

Hi Thanh, On Jun 13, 2017, at 5:29 PM, The Thanh Han mailto:hanthethanh@gmail.com> wrote: Thanh, can you confirm that we should go ahead with this plan? ​I think it's reasonable to have this behavior possible. However, Iet's say we have \textsc{This is a heading} What is the common expectation when one does copy/paste this text from a pdf viewer? I personally expect to get the same text, not the unicode points for the *.sc glyphs from the actual font. Perhaps. But then the author is stating that it is a heading, but not using proper markup that might be used to include tagging that could convey this. So from the point-of-view of a someone using Assistive Technology, how else are they supposed to get the hint that this should be treated like a heading? - - - especially in cases where the words themselves do *not* explicitly say so. This brings up another question: perhaps we can add the behavior proposed by Ross, but it has to be enabled explicitly via a primitive? That’s perfectly fine by me. Regards, Thanh Cheers Ross Dr Ross Moore Mathematics Dept | 12 Wally’s Walk, 734 Macquarie University, NSW 2109, Australia T: +61 2 9850 8955 | F: +61 2 9850 8114tel:%2B61%202%209850%209695 M:+61 407 288 255tel:%2B61%20409%20125%20670 | E: ross.moore@mq.edu.aumailto:rick.minter@mq.edu.au http://www.maths.mq.edu.auhttp://mq.edu.au/ [cid:image001.png@01D030BE.D37A46F0]http://mq.edu.au/ CRICOS Provider Number 00002J. Think before you print. Please consider the environment before printing this email.http://mq.edu.au/ This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Macquarie University.http://mq.edu.au/

On 6/13/2017 9:29 AM, The Thanh Han wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Karl Berry mailto:karl@freefriends.org> wrote:

rm> ... test the full name (including °ТРЬ.°ТРЫs) first, for a datbase entry. If found, use it. Otherwise, try again using just the prefix (as at present).

That surely sounds sensible.

Or in case a name is multiply qualified; e.g., delta.sc.ipa (occurs in cmu-tipx.enc ) also omega.sc.ipa q.sc.ipa f.sc.ipa then drop off the qualifications from the end. So test in order: delta.sc.ipa delta.sc http://delta.sc delta

i didn't follow this discussion but i'd rather start from the beginning so, delta, delta.sc etc

Ack.

Thanh, can you confirm that we should go ahead with this plan?

​I think it's reasonable to have this behavior possible.

However, Iet's say we have

\textsc{This is a heading}

What is the common expectation when one does copy/paste this text from a pdf viewer? I personally expect to get the same text, not the unicode points for the *.sc glyphs from the actual font.

indeed

This brings up another question: perhaps we can add the behavior proposed by Ross, but it has to be enabled explicitly via a primitive?

Regards, Thanh

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