On 2011-01-10, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

On 01/10/2011 03:50 PM, Jonas Stein wrote:

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$ context test.tex

MTXrun | forcing cache reload MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found

Something is wrong with your installation. Mkiv should have found a texmfcnf.lua at this spot. What distribution are you running?

the system is debian testing. i have the distribution packages installed for texlive and so on. I got context from here: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/context/download kind regards, -- Jonas Stein

Hi, \starttext % \systemcommandmode % (doesn't work here, i.e. strange ^ char with texexec and not defined by mkiv) \startMPcode draw fullcircle scaled 3cm; \stopMPcode \stoptext % (missing in your code snippet) Tested on the following ConTeXt minimals version on an up-to-date debian (amd64 unstable/experimental hybrid). MTXrun | main context file: /usr/local/ConTeXt_version_2010.11.26/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MTXrun | current version: 2010.11.26 22:49 Simplest test: − Reported OK with "context test" − Reported OK with "texexec test" My experience is that it is best to use minimals, so maybe it can help if you give it a try… That's trivial with ./first-setup.sh (I usually suffix the dir name and use a plain ConTeXt symbolic link… just in case to recover a previous version if the new one… um… doesn't work). Best regards, Renaud Le 10/01/2011 17:18, Taco Hoekwater a écrit :

Hi,

My linux is not Debian-based so I cannot help much further (but I have changed the title of this reply in the hope that more debian people will read it)

Best wishes, Taco

On 01/10/2011 04:42 PM, Jonas Stein wrote:

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On 2011-01-10, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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On 01/10/2011 03:50 PM, Jonas Stein wrote:

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$ context test.tex

MTXrun | forcing cache reload MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found

Something is wrong with your installation. Mkiv should have found a texmfcnf.lua at this spot. What distribution are you running?

the system is debian testing. i have the distribution packages installed for texlive and so on.

I got context from here: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/context/download

kind regards,

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Hi Aditya, Hum… OK, my english is not so good but "Tested on the following **ConTeXt minimals** version on an up-to-date debian" seems clear to me. And, you are right: /usr/local is one of the place to install stuff **not** installed by the debian package manager. ;) Now, I have installed the pointed package for testing and I confirm the result: MTXrun | forcing cache reload MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | the resolver databases are not present or outdated MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | resolvers: remembering file 'mtx-context.lua' MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua' Still investigating… Renaud Le 10/01/2011 19:14, Aditya Mahajan a écrit :

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Renaud AUBIN wrote:

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\stoptext % (missing in your code snippet)

Tested on the following ConTeXt minimals version on an up-to-date debian (amd64 unstable/experimental hybrid). MTXrun | main context file: /usr/local/ConTeXt_version_2010.11.26/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex

Are you using the debian package that Jonas linked to? /usr/local/ConTeXt_version_2010.11.26 seems to be a strange place for a package manager to install stuff.

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Hi Aditya, hi all, On Mo, 10 Jan 2011, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

Assuming that Norbert packaged ConTeXt package in debian testing, I am CCing this message to him.

So it seems that current Context has changed something, anyone can help me here? Up to now I did: export TEXMFCNF=/usr/share/texmf/web2c luatools --generate --verbose after which everything was working. Now I get: [~] luatools --generate --verbose MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/usr/bin' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/usr' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '.' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to '/usr/share/texmf/web2c' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMF' set to '' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXOS' set to '/usr' MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | forcing cache reload MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | the resolver databases are not present or outdated MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | resolvers: remembering file 'mtx-base.lua' MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua' BTW, why does this mtxrun not *SAY* what file it is searching for??? Just warning: no lua configuration files found is as useful as ... welll ... I stop here. In /usr/share/texmf/web2c/ there is a contextcnf.lua which looks like: return { type = "configuration", version = "1.0.2", date = "2010-06-07", time = "14:49:00", comment = "ConTeXt MkIV configuration file", .... Is there something missing? Best wishes Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining@{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live & Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.' The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

2011/1/11 Mojca Miklavec

It should probably be called texmfcnf.lua instead of contextcnf.lua. And there's also a high chance that the settings in that file are wrong if you just took the file from distribution. The settings should somehow match the contents in texmf.cnf.

(What version of ConTeXt is this?)

2010.07.30, according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=context Regards, Vedran Miletić

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

2011/1/11 Vedran Miletić :

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2011/1/11 Mojca Miklavec

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It should probably be called texmfcnf.lua instead of contextcnf.lua. And there's also a high chance that the settings in that file are wrong if you just took the file from distribution. The settings should somehow match the contents in texmf.cnf.

(What version of ConTeXt is this?)

2010.07.30, according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=context

In that case one should better run mtxrun instead of luatools (they are equivalent at the moment, but luatools is becomming obsolete).

And yes, texmfcnf.lua should be carefully designed to match the structure of texmf trees in debian.

Wouldn't just copying the texmfcnf.lua from texlive work? Aditya

Hi Mojca, On Di, 11 Jan 2011, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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2010.07.30, according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=context

In that case one should better run mtxrun instead of luatools (they are equivalent at the moment, but luatools is becomming obsolete).

Ahhh ... I guess that needs some divine inspiration to know ...

And yes, texmfcnf.lua should be carefully designed to match the structure of texmf trees in debian.

Of course, looking into it I graasped that now. Why on earth can mtxrun not simply load the main texmf.cnf like any other program in the TeX world and initialize the values from there I ask myself. I am slowly giving up on ConTeXt. It is changing in arbitrary directions far too often, and still things like multi-user support are not here since ages. I know, it is primary Hans' system and it has to work primarily on his computer, but that means that distributing it within any distribution system is plain pain :-( All that of course relates only to MkIV. I guess I will just add one sentence to the README.Debian: MkIV is not suppored on Debian. If you know how to set it up you can do it yourself and educate the maintainer, otherwise simply use MkII or the ConTeXt minimals. Sad but true. All the best Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining@{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live & Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CORRIEARKLET (n.) The moment at which two people approaching from opposite ends of a long passageway, recognise each other and immediately pretend they haven't. This is to avoid the ghastly embarrassment of having to continue recognising each other the whole length of the corridor. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:57:32PM +0100, Jonas Stein wrote:

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In that case one should better run mtxrun instead of luatools (they are equivalent at the moment, but luatools is becomming obsolete).

Ahhh ... I guess that needs some divine inspiration to know ...

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And yes, texmfcnf.lua should be carefully designed to match the structure of texmf trees in debian.

Of course, looking into it I graasped that now.

Why on earth can mtxrun not simply load the main texmf.cnf like any other program in the TeX world and initialize the values from there I ask myself.

I am slowly giving up on ConTeXt. It is changing in arbitrary directions far too often, and still things like multi-user support are not here since ages. I know, it is primary Hans' system and it has to work primarily on his computer, but that means that distributing it within any distribution system is plain pain :-(

All that of course relates only to MkIV. I guess I will just add one sentence to the README.Debian: MkIV is not suppored on Debian. If you know how to set it up you can do it yourself and educate the maintainer, otherwise simply use MkII or the ConTeXt minimals.

Its so sad to read this but no other reply on this thread till now. As far i have looked into the .deb packages the bug should be in the current stable versions too.

The ideas behind context are so nice and could save us from so much latex-pain. If there are no context-packages, that work out of the box it will be a project for developers. Developers are known to code and not to write documentation...

Use MkII it is tried, documented and stable. It is unfair to complain about something as " changing in arbitrary directions" when it is declared "beta" and "ever evolving" with big red letters every where :)

Is there any hope that context will become a replacement of latex?

I don't think this have been a goal. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer

Arthur Reutenauer writes:

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Is there any hope that context will become a replacement of latex?

I don't think this have been a goal.

Maybe Jonas means that for *some* particular users, ConTeXt could be a replacement for LaTeX,

For *some* particular users, ConTeXt *is* already a replacement for LaTeX: for all the users, who switched from LaTeX to ConTeXt, like me some years ago. -- Peter Münster Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

On 14-1-2011 9:57, Jonas Stein wrote:

Its so sad to read this but no other reply on this thread till now. As far i have looked into the .deb packages the bug should be in the current stable versions too.

The ideas behind context are so nice and could save us from so much latex-pain. If there are no context-packages, that work out of the box it will be a project for developers. Developers are known to code and not to write documentation...

It's not that bad (unless I missed something) ... first of all we have the minimals and they work out of the box. And the minimals are just a subset of texlive. As soon as a different tree setup is used one has to adapt the TEXMF variable in the configuration file (ok, i assume that we could add some commonly used paths there that are not in the minimals). This is something that can differ per distributions. The reasons for dropping txmf.cnf in mkiv in favour of texmfcnf.lua have been discussed before and is just another step towards more flexibility (for instance we have more private configuration options than possible in the old situation). Of course the whole minimals can be made a package which makes sense if a user only uses context and does not want the rest of tex. If I remember right someone did that already. So there is no need to worry as eventually things will sort themselves out. I have no clue what bug you mean, but if you can nail it down ... (my dev machine is windows 7 and our linux servers have the minimals) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Renaud AUBIN writes: Hi all,

I assume from minimals install script that you need to generate the format with mtxrun --generate --tree="xxx" --some --options but failed at this point… Maybe Mojca or Arthur (as authors of bin/mtx-update.lua) could complete?

Anyway, the post-install script packaged with that .deb doesn't seem to do the job for you…

Indeed, we don't do this. What it the purpose of this command and how to call it? When running w/ option --generate I get: hille@sid:~ $ mtxrun --generate MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/usr/bin' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/usr' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '.' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to '' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMF' set to '' MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXOS' set to '/usr' MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers TEXMFCNF and TEXMF are empty, but they are set in /usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf: TEXMFCNF = /usr/share/texmf/web2c;/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c TEXMF = {$TEXMFCONFIG,$TEXMFVAR,$TEXMFHOME,$TEXMFSYSCONFIG,\ !!$TEXMFSYSVAR,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN,!!$TEXMFDIST} Thanks, Hilmar

I assume from minimals install script that you need to generate the format with mtxrun --generate --tree="xxx" --some --options but failed at this point… Maybe Mojca or Arthur (as authors of bin/mtx-update.lua) could complete?

Anyway, the post-install script packaged with that .deb doesn't seem to do the job for you…

Same in the old "stable" .deb package. That will render the package unusable for many modules until the user fixes it manual as root, right? kind regards, -- Jonas Stein