On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.

This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).

I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX.

This could be a starting point: http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-french What do you need? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

Am 08.02.2010 um 12:43 schrieb Sebastien Mengin:

Le 08 févr. 2010 à 12:25, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:

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Hi all,

ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.

This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).

I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX.

[1] http://daniel.flipo.free.fr/frenchb/index.html

Cheers,

-- Sébastien Mengin

Hi, there is a nice LaTeX package called floatrow. Most of the things what it does you can do with ConTeXt much more easily expect (i think) one thing: placing more than one picture in a given width with automatic rescaling of the images so all images in one row have the same height. This feature is really handy for me. Maybe there is something in ConTeXt which does the same and i´m missing something? best regards Bernhard

Le 08 févr. 2010 à 01:14, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:

Am 08.02.10 12:43, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:

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I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX.

This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me).

Do you have a english version of the manual or can you make a summary what the package provides (it's hard to guess from the commands)?

Yes, here's the manual (PDF) produced from the DTX file from CTAN. http://edilibre.net/depot/frenchb.pdf Thanks for your interest, -- Sébastien Mengin Édition et logiciels libres < Mise en page avec LaTeX > http://edilibre.net

I'd just like to chime in that a new bibliography system would be first suggestion for ConTeXt. I've only used BibTeX a few times, and never BibLaTeX (because I'd already switched to ConTeXT), but it's inflexibility makes it unworkable. Ideally ConTeXt could provide its general sensible-ness (and Lua power) to do for bibliographies what it has already done for TeX. CSL support and something similar to string.format('%s. (%s). %s.', author, year, title) or something just as easy for defining a new output style would be the two features most desired. If MLA were finally implemented (or implementable) for \cite{} in TeX, I would be a very happy masters student indeed ;) (BibLaTeX's MLA did not work for me in LyX, which is about as far as I'm going to go into LaTeX). Until then I'll just use the MLA setup environment from the ConTeXt wiki and input my refs by hand. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster < schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:

And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly

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logically place (and connect) containers of any sort. I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0). This could be made easier.

The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this can be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be doable to provide something similar in ConTeXt.

[1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html

Wolfgang

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Am 08.02.2010 um 14:49 schrieb Philipp Gesang:

Hello Wolfgang!

On 2010-02-08 <12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit. &c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented.

yes, apart from floatrow i mentioned earlier biblatex features are superior. AFAIKS the bibliography module will be rewritten and maybe will have similar features? nevertheless for me ConTeXt is way ahead of LaTeX! best regards Bernhard

On 8-2-2010 14:49, Philipp Gesang wrote:

Hello Wolfgang!

On 2010-02-08<12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit.&c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented.

That'd be "nice to have" …

fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is already done. 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module) 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Am 08.02.10 22:14, schrieb Philipp Gesang:

On 2010-02-08<16:12:09>, Hans Hagen wrote:

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fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is already done.

1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module) 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler

1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface

Great news, indeed! Is some of this already usable / accessable by way of functions in minimals? I can't wait to have a glance at those features, especially no. 3.

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html Wolfgang

Am 08.02.10 23:08, schrieb Philipp Gesang:

But thank you anyways, I now have an impression about how things may look like in the future and I promise to read http://wiki.contextgarden.net/XML#XML.2FConTeXt_in_general next weekend.

For MkIV read this: http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-43.htm Wolfgang

On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote:

I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context development team) is that journals start accepting Context files. While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context files.

In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit so-called ".txt" files! As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt, as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails. One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX: "Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed automatically by our AutoTeX software." Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending MS-Word files... Alan

Am 09.02.10 03:50, schrieb Curiouslearn:

Nice thread. Thanks for starting this Wolfgang.

First of all, Context is great and I love it. I think I miss the geometry package of the latex. It makes setting margins very easy. I think setting margins (left, right, top and bottom) could be easier in Context.

ConTeXt use a more sofisticated page model than LaTeX, you have not only left and right margin but also left/right edges and each page consists of three separate layer, one for the paper, on for the page and on top the layer for the text, headers, footers and margin texts. Wolfgang

On 2010-02-09 <15:04:16>, Hans Hagen wrote:

are those two files present and can they be found?

\registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib] \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib] They were present but somehow minimals don't use the TeXlive tree, so had to symlink them and it's working now. (Why don't I at least get a *warning* or something like that in the log?)

Quite impressive! I'll have closer look at it next weekend. Thanks for your patience, Philipp

On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:40 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:

That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and forgot to update ConTeXt. Now the file is processed and I get a pdf file containing the words -------- sortkeys: n id entry -------- and an hrule beneath that. As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only guess that there's a table missing from "\startxmlsetups bibtex:one \starttabulate etc.". Good night,

Philipp

In order to see what this example does, you will have to use your own bib file and examples from it. I attach a modified test file with a small bib so you can test. However, I don't yet understand how to use this either. Let's hope this goes trough to the list. All best Thomas

Philipp Gesang writes:

Hello Wolfgang!

On 2010-02-08 <12:25:58>, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit. &c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented.

That'd be "nice to have" …

I second this. Right now, biblatex is the killer feature that I'm at least partially stuck with LaTeX. However, I wonder if it would be hard to do a port of biblatex to context. I've not looked into the code yet, but I doubt that there is much LaTeX specific code... Best regards, olli

On 8-2-2010 18:29, David Rogers wrote:

|Original Language|First Translation|Second Translation| |Bla bla bla ... |Blu blu blu ... |Ble ble ble ... |

it's one of the things on the agenda for mkiv but it has to wait for a while till we have opened up the page builder a bit more in luatex ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 9-2-2010 6:53, Otared Kavian wrote:

Now, that said, I do all my presentations with ConTeXt, and there is one thing which should be added for more ease of use: a stepwise procedure which can do better than the RawSteps module I use (see http://wiki.contextgarden..net/RawSteps), and which would also work with the simpleslides modules set up by Thomas A. Schmitz and Aditya Mahajan.

There is a generic stepper: \usemodule[pre-60] % use the stepper \starttext \title {Whatever} \dorecurse{10} { \title{Just a few dummy pages} \StartSteps \startitemize[packed] \startitemize \startitem bla \FlushStep \stopitem \startitem bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem \startitem bla bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem \startitem bla bla bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem \stopitemize \StopSteps }

Actually I do this manually and, despite being time consuming, I prefer to write in ConTeXt and to translate my paper into LaTeX at the very last step.

i would not be surprised if the journal editors then translate it into their local variant; it's probably the text (plus time consuming formulas) they keep Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Am 09.02.10 13:09, schrieb Vedran Miletić:

Ability to change math font to modern sans serif. I don't know how to do it in LaTeX, but I know it's possible because beamer does it.

In MkIV something like \unprotect \appendtoks \dosetfontattribute\??mo\c!style \to \everymathematics \appendtoks \setmathfunctionstyle{\mathematicsparameter\c!style}% \to \everymathematics \protect \setupmathematics[style=sans] does the job, the correct implementation is up to Hans and Aditya. Wolfgang

Am 09.02.10 17:31, schrieb Oliver Buerschaper:

3. I'd very much like to second Alan's suggestion to provide containers for text to flow in and out! Perhaps one could even go further and root ConTeXt entire page model in such an approach. After all, it's just text flowing in and out of pages together with fixed containers for headers and footers. This might also provide a consistent yet flexible foundation for all things columns. If things where so easy in TeX we won’t have the problems with text in

columns etc. as we currently have. Changing the line distance in the normal text can influence also header and footer texts and frames are not so easy too because once a text is typeset by TeX the linebreaks are fixed and you can't change them.

You're not the only one who wants such a flexible mechanism are you descibe but let’s see what features LuaTeX provide once the access to the pagebuilder is available. Wolfgang

On 9-2-2010 18:50, Khaled Hosny wrote:

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Hi all,

ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic, script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my first pass without any directional commands at all then using some regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a nightmare.

I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.

[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/ [2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/

i cannot fix things unless i know what is broken -) also, i need to cater for mixed bidi input and txt/pardir usage which is non trivial anyway, luatex > 0.60 will have an improved tagging of nodes so that might help Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Salaam, Khaled, On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:44:55 -0700, Khaled Hosny wrote:

IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer.

Are you sure about that? A quick check shows answers...eg http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080816.075921.0f92a2d3.en.html In any case: Can you provide minimal samples of problems with the current mechanism? I have a bidi test-suite that I will revisit but some sample files from you will help too. One sample-per-problem would be a help. :-) :-) سلام Idris PS Some of these problems have been on the backburner but there is already a TON of other things on the plate so ... I use formatting characters + mirroring in the meantime ... I -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

2010/2/9 Hans Hagen :

however, underlining is not really part of fine typography

I know. But it's hard to do right in TeX (see the troubles soul.sty brings) and people are used to it.

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- Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats,   multicol and parshapes. :-)

yeah, maybe some day ... not that trivial but you know that -)

I know. LuaTeX 2.0? :-) Best Martin

On 9-2-2010 19:21, Kevin D. Robbins wrote:

I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like:

context --mark-changes foo1 foo2

to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one component.

it's not that hard to build something like that Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, John Devereux wrote:

I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed

Hello John, Perhaps this can help: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20060806.143457.47021821.en.html

and precisely recorded.

Then I suggest a version control system. Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

Peter Münster writes:

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, John Devereux wrote:

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I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed

Hello John,

Perhaps this can help: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20060806.143457.47021821.en.html

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and precisely recorded.

Then I suggest a version control system.

Hello Peter, Thanks, I do already use a version control system (gi). The built-in diff system is ideal for my own use, but my "audience" would not be resist this approach. The text-worddiff utility looks interesting. Does it work well in practice? Did you develop the "little script" you posted any further, or is it sufficient? Thanks, -- John Devereux

On 9-2-2010 19:50, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

%D For Mojca: %D %D \starttyping %D \def\simplethesis %D {\setupsystem[random=1234] %D \title{\fakewords{3}{4}} %D \placelist[chapter,section] %D \dorecurse{6} %D {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}} %D \dorecurse{5} %D {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}} %D \dorecurse{2} %D {\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf} %D \placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}} %D \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}}}}} %D %D \starttext %D \simplethesis %D \stoptext %D \stoptyping

Wolfgang

as we've never seen her thesis it could well be that she maneged to pass the examns with this Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Am 09.02.10 19:45, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:

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What I would really like is an automatic composer, one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me.

minimal example:  \startext  \composebook [title="My best selling novel"]  \stoptext (notice that the title is optional)

However, it would have to produce output that is up to my standards - not at all an easy task!

m-visual.tex ;)

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ -- luigi

On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Hi all,

ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.

Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}

is * never part of a url then? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote:

According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL.

So, "http://pmrb.free.fr/tmp/file*with*stars" is not allowed??? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

Vedran Miletić wrote:

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is * never part of a url then?

According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL.

Still, * can appear unencoded in any url, in either pathinfo or in GET arguments, so * is not always the best thing to use. It is better have it configurable (but default to *) Best wishes, Taco

Am 11.02.2010 um 10:37 schrieb Hans Hagen:

On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Hi all,

ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.

Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}

is * never part of a url then?

This was just an example. Maybe "|" is a better glyph. Is this the only problem to find a character that is not used as part of a valid URL? Steffen

On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Hi all,

ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?

I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl string.

Like, e.g. "*" in "\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}

i've added \def\hyphenatedurldiscretionary{*} \hsize1cm \hyphenatedurl{xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx} but it defaults to \def\hyphenatedurldiscretionary{} ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 11-2-2010 10:55, Peter Münster wrote:

\setupinterlinespace[line=1cm] % just to make the example more obvious \definetextbackground[myBG][background=color, backgroundcolor=green, % backgroundheight=1ex, % does not work % height=1ex, % does not work frame=off] \starttext bla bla \startmyBG \dorecurse{30}{bla }\stopmyBG bla bla \stoptext

\starttext \startbuffer \definebar [backbar] [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue, continue=yes,order=background] \definebar [forebar] [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue, continue=yes,order=foreground] \stopbuffer \typebuffer \getbuffer The following example code looks messy but this has to do with the fact that we want properly spaced sample injection. \startbuffer from here \startcolor[white]% \startbar[backbar]% \input zapf \removeunwantedspaces \stopbar \stopcolor \space till here \blank from here \startbar[forebar]% \input zapf \removeunwantedspaces \stopbar \space till here \stopbuffer \typebuffer \getbuffer \stoptext ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 11-2-2010 14:48, Peter Münster wrote:

On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:

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\definebar [backbar] [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue, continue=yes,order=background]

Great, many thanks for this "hidden" feature!

What is the logic behind offset and rulethickness (the units and the reference point)? (I played a bit with offset=0 and different rulethicknesses...)

will be in an upcoming maps article and i'm hesitant to put the text online before it's published see end of node-rul.mkiv ... you can do underline etc by manipulating these values Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]

Hello Wolfgang, I get: syntax : invalid key 'crap' for 'test' in line 16 But no messages for the other keys. Consider also this: \enablecheckparameters \starttext \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g=g] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][h=h] \stoptext $ context test | grep invalid syntax : invalid key 'h' for 'test' in line 4 So, the keys a-g are always valid!? ;) Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

On Sat, Feb 13 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Hans made them valid for the test namespace, replace the test with a different name and they should be invalid too.

Result: \enablecheckparameters \starttext \getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][h=h] \getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][g=g] \stoptext -> ! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mult-chk.lua:61: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) stack traceback: ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mult-chk.lua:61: in function '_gcp_' <main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk. \dogetcheckedparametersyes ...okenize {#3}\!!es )} l.3 \getcheckedparameters[bla][xx][h=h] Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

Wolfgang Schuster writes:

Am 13.02.10 13:24, schrieb John Devereux:

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I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a command line switch to do this would be very useful. Already available for MkIV (mult-chk.mkiv):

\starttext

\testfeatureonce{10000}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e = f]} % 0.20 seconds

\enablecheckparameters

\testfeatureonce{10000}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e = f]} % 0.35 seconds

\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}] \getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]

\startlines [a:\getvalue{xxa}][a] [b:\getvalue{xxb}][b] [c:\getvalue{xxc}][c] [d:\getvalue{xxd}][d d ] [e:\getvalue{xxe}][e ] [f:\getvalue{xxf}][f ] [g:\getvalue{xxg}][\detokenize\expandafter{\xxg}] \stoplines

\setvalidparameterkeys[test][crap]

\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang. That is a bit beyond me... I am guessing this means that there is now a facility whereby certain commands could be instrumented? In the future? What I was asking for was a general "switch" that could turn on parameter error checking for all commands. (Perhaps the work involved is too much). -- John Devereux