2011/3/23 mathew

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:23, Cecil Westerhof wrote:

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I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not. I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?

I think your expectations may be at fault.

You are completely right. That is why a mailing list like this is useful. ;-}

In ConTeXt, ` is not "open quote", it is backtick. If you want an open quote, you have to type one.

Typeset this text to see what I mean:

\starttext ` Backtick\crlf ' Apostrophe\crlf ‘ Open curly quote\crlf ’ Close curly quote \stoptext

If you actually want backtick, perhaps you could say what you think is wrong with it in Palatino?

Wrong is maybe not the correct word, but when compiling this code: \starttext ` Backtick\crlf ' Apostrophe\crlf ‘ Open curly quote\crlf ’ Close curly quote ‘some quoted text’ “some doublequoted text” \setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt] ‘some quoted text’ “some doublequoted text” \stoptext Then I find the font from palatino better looking, but the default quotes better as the palatino's. I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again. Attached my Xmopdmap.extra which incorperates these single and double quotes. -- Cecil Westerhof

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 13:49, Pontus Lurcock wrote:

It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one place rather than throughout the document.

Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context - An Excursion"? mathew

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It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one place rather than throughout the document.

Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context - An Excursion"?

I remembered seeing these commands somewhere, so I searched in the wiki and found them: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Basic_Text_Formatting Miguel

2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock

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I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.

It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one place rather than throughout the document.

It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening quote low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote not very helpful. -- Cecil Westerhof

2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster

It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation

marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one

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place rather than throughout the document.

It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening quote low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote not very helpful.

\setuplanguage [<language>] [leftquote=..., rightquote=..., leftquotation=..., rightquotation=...]

Works. Thanks. -- Cecil Westerhof

2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster

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I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not. I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?

How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating System.

I work with minimals. How do I get the list?

I made a short document with a few fonts: http://d.pr/h5tE

I choose (based on your document) ‘PT Serif’ for the moment. -- Cecil Westerhof

2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster

2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster

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I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not. I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?

How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating System.

I work with minimals. How do I get the list?

Look into the fonts folders.

I suppose you mean: texmf/fonts/? There I see: drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 afm drwxrwxr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 enc drwxrwxr-x 4 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 map drwxr-xr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 19 jan 2009 misc drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 opentype drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 tfm drwxrwxr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 9 okt 12:42 truetype drwxrwxr-x 7 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 type1 drwxr-xr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2009 vf

We can make a list of the available fonts with their typescripts/typefaces and put them on the wiki.

Would be a good idea. -- Cecil Westerhof