luigi scarso wrote:

On 5/8/07, Vit Zyka wrote:

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Hi all,

there is a new plant in the Garden: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion%2C_translations

It gathers translations of the beginner's manual ConTeXt on Excursion

So, if I understand well, this is an official uptodate , stable enough for translation in others languages, right ?

well, it may make sense to discuss what to kick out and what to add e.g. paragraphs is less useful than tabulate and friends Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Wednesday 09 May 2007 03:34, Hans Hagen wrote:

luigi scarso wrote:

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On 5/8/07, Vit Zyka wrote:

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Hi all,

there is a new plant in the Garden: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion%2C_translatio ns

It gathers translations of the beginner's manual ConTeXt on Excursion

So, if I understand well, this is an official uptodate , stable enough for translation in others languages, right ?

well, it may make sense to discuss what to kick out and what to add

e.g. paragraphs is less useful than tabulate and friends

Hans

Some other updates would help. For example I tried to turn a newbie on to Context and pointed him to "Excursion." He tried to run a test program using the command: context myfile as given in the manual on page 5 and got a bad result. That command doesn't work any more. So he gave up on Context and turned to LaTeX instead. -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com _________________________________________________________________ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com

2, When I run "make en" or manually compile ma-cb-en, I got an error that \secretsetup is undefined. I think my ConTeXt is new enough: ConTeXt ver: 2007.04.17 12:51 MKII fmt: 2007.4.20 int: english/english

It has nothing to do with your system's ConTeXt; it's defined in t-setup.tex in the contextman directory, but it can't be found because the compilation takes place in some subdirectory (like en/). You can work around it but setting TEXINPUTS to the appropriate location (with a trailing colon! Don't forget the colon.), although I'm not sure how it works under Windows. It should probably be set in the Makefile anyway.

3, I've never used svn before, so I'm afraid if I upload my source to the svn server, would it harm other files? I only made change to makefile and create a folder called cn (for Chinese).

I think it shouldn't, but I leave the details of the commit for others to explain. Please do it first so that I can make the necessary changes for French ;-) In any case, please please please consider using the letters “zh” which is the code for the Chinese language, and not for the country, China. It's bad enough that ConTeXt tags British English with the international code for Ukrainian ... ;-) 祝你翻译成功！ 此致 敬礼 周恩德

2007/5/10, Arthur Reutenauer :

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2, When I run "make en" or manually compile ma-cb-en, I got an error that \secretsetup is undefined. I think my ConTeXt is new enough: ConTeXt ver: 2007.04.17 12:51 MKII fmt: 2007.4.20 int: english/english

It has nothing to do with your system's ConTeXt; it's defined in t-setup.tex in the contextman directory, but it can't be found because the compilation takes place in some subdirectory (like en/). You can work around it but setting TEXINPUTS to the appropriate location (with a trailing colon! Don't forget the colon.), although I'm not sure how it works under Windows.

Hi Arthur, this shouldn't be a problem. ConTeXt is looking for project files in the parent directory and this is where ma-cb lies in our case. I don't like the current file structure made by Vit, generic should better be renamed to images. I prefer myself to have the project files in the same directory as the project files (we can work with \usepath to input the components) and we can also move all environments and modules to a new subdirectory. Wolfgang

It should probably be set in the Makefile anyway.

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3, I've never used svn before, so I'm afraid if I upload my source to the svn server, would it harm other files? I only made change to makefile and create a folder called cn (for Chinese).

I think it shouldn't, but I leave the details of the commit for others to explain. Please do it first so that I can make the necessary changes for French ;-)

In any case, please please please consider using the letters "zh" which is the code for the Chinese language, and not for the country, China. It's bad enough that ConTeXt tags British English with the international code for Ukrainian ... ;-)

2007/5/10, Arthur Reutenauer :

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this shouldn't be a problem. ConTeXt is looking for project files in the parent

Yes, it is; I experienced it myself just before Zhichu reported it to the list. I was told ConTeXt was supposed to search for files in the parent directory, too, but as it apparently didn't for t-setup.tex I came up with setting TEXINPUTS, which is of course a hack, but at least it enabled me to compile the manual. I didn't investigate further last night.

I use ConTeXt ver: 2007.03.19 11:20 MKII fmt: 2007.3.24 int: english/english

Hi Arthur, I wasn't able to test my answer because I use myself a different file structure for the beginners manual and never encountered this problem. The better solution rather than making a TEXINPUTS entry is to put the setup module in the third party directory in your local TeX tree. Gruß Wolfgang

Hi everybody I'm sorry that I haven't upload anything except the makefile. So Authur, you can adopt it to French now. But Hans' \horizontalchineseunicodeglyph macro has some conflict with \starttyping . . . \stoptyping environment. I checked for like two days and comment the following lines: ========================= \ifx\nextutoken\relax \insertunicodeglyph \else ========================= and the corresponding \fi, then it's OK now. I do the translation after work during workdays, so it'll be very slow. I don't know much about the TEXINPUTS thing. since I got error, I copied all files from the parent folder to my working folder, which is called "zh." It's a mess now, and I'll purge all the auxillary files after I finish it. On 5/10/07, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

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I wasn't able to test my answer because I use myself a different file structure for the beginners manual and never encountered this problem.

I guess the problem is with \doiffileelse in ma-cb-setups.tex:

# \doiffileelse{t-setup.tex} # {\usemodule[setup]} % third party t-setup.tex # {\usemodule[set-11]}

As it is (without tweaking TEXINPUTS or installing t-setup.tex manually), t-setup.tex isn't found in the parent directory, so x-set-11.tex is loaded in its place.

How is \doiffileelse supposed to search for files exactly?

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On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2007, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

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I wasn't able to test my answer because I use myself a different file structure for the beginners manual and never encountered this problem.

I guess the problem is with \doiffileelse in ma-cb-setups.tex:

# \doiffileelse{t-setup.tex} # {\usemodule[setup]} % third party t-setup.tex # {\usemodule[set-11]}

As it is (without tweaking TEXINPUTS or installing t-setup.tex manually), t-setup.tex isn't found in the parent directory, so x-set-11.tex is loaded in its place.

Why is it done this way? Isn't t-setup always supposed to be distributed with the sources. Why not simply

\environment t-setup

If a file is being used for only one project, it should be an environment file. If it will be used in multiple projects, it should be a module.

Wolfgang, do you think that t-setup.tex can be added as x-set-13.tex, or maybe even overwrite x-set-11.tex? (I have not read it carefully to understand what are the enhancements that it provides).

Hi Aditya, the module is a replacement for x-set-11 and and tries to solve a few problem x-set-11 has, like generating a index with all commands used in the current file. It provides also a few like generating a index entry without showing the command in the running text or generating own texts for envronments, like a setup command for "\startFOO ... \stopFOO" (the FOO is not a placeholder, you can realy show FOO in the output from \shortsetup).

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How is \doiffileelse supposed to search for files exactly?

Try to open the file for reading. If the file can be read, then read the file, else do the else part. The check for file etc is done using TeX's \immediate\openin\scratchread \filename, so there is no searching for parent directories. The \project and \environment macros have to make some effort to read files in parent directories.

Aditya

This should be wikified. Wolfgang

On Tue, 15 May 2007, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

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the module is a replacement for x-set-11 and and tries to solve a few problem x-set-11 has, like generating a index with all commands used in the current file.

Thanks to both of you for your answers; is there any objection to replacing the spurious code in ma-cb-setups.tex with the line Aditya wrote (\environment t-setup.tex)? Vít?

I would suggest renaming t-setup.tex to something like ma-cb-x-set.tex to be consistent. Aditya

Wolfgang Schuster a écrit :

Hi Arthur,

I wasn't able to test my answer because I use myself a different file structure for the beginners manual and never encountered this problem.

The better solution rather than making a TEXINPUTS entry is to put the setup module in the third party directory in your local TeX tree.

It works at least on my debian box with tetex... Renaud