bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

Yue Wang

26 Nov 2008 26 Nov '08

2:04 a.m.

hi: it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex engine. here is the sample file: % engine=xetex \starttext \setupcolors [state=start] \startMPpage path p ; color c[] ; p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ; c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ; c[1] := transparent(1,.5,green) ; c[2] := transparent(1,.5,blue) ; for i = 0 upto 2 : fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor white ; endfor ; for i = 0 upto 2 : fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor c[i] ; endfor ; addbackground withcolor transparent(1,.5,cmyk(0,0,1,0)) ; \stopMPpage \stoptext Yue Wang

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Wolfgang Schuster

26 Nov 26 Nov

2:21 a.m.

Am 26.11.2008 um 10:04 schrieb Yue Wang:

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hi:

it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex engine. here is the sample file:

% engine=xetex

\starttext

\setupcolors [state=start]

\startMPpage path p ; color c[] ; p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ; c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ; c[1] := transparent(1,.5,green) ; c[2] := transparent(1,.5,blue) ; for i = 0 upto 2 : fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor white ; endfor ; for i = 0 upto 2 : fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor c[i] ; endfor ; addbackground withcolor transparent(1,.5,cmyk(0,0,1,0)) ; \stopMPpage

\stoptext

Make a entry in the bug tracker or it will be fogotten, I had a similiar problem quite some time ago: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.085450.3b06d189.en.html Wolfgang

vafa＠aol.com.au

2:28 a.m.

ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs. LaTeX rocks...! ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Experience Email and instant messaging together - chat while you mail and mail while you chat! Register for your free email account at http://free.aol.com.au

luigi scarso

2:38 a.m.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

yes, true. Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt is true

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I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

There are some bugs.

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LaTeX rocks...!

true, if you are from LaTeX peaple. -- luigi

Marcin Borkowski

2:54 a.m.

Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

yes, true.

Not entirely (see below).

...

Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt is true

...
I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

There are some bugs.

As in most software projects. And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of bugs in ConTeXt. But still, it is very usable.

...

...
LaTeX rocks...!

true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.

Well, I've been using LaTeX for several years and I don't think it to be really rocking. And neither is ConTeXt (yet) - see below. And the question is: why to start yet another flame war? I am the proof (by example) that the sets of plain TeX people, LaTeX people and ConTeXt people have a nonempty intersection. There are areas where LaTeX is much better than ConTeXt: when I write a paper on maths, almost no journal will accept ConTeXt. Also, LaTeX is very stable and ConTeXt is not. OTOH, when ConTeXt reaches the maturity level of LaTeX, it _will_ be much better - but we'll have to wait a while for it to happen. Greets -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.

luigi scarso

3:09 a.m.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Marcin Borkowski < mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:

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Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

yes, true.

Not entirely (see below).

please, note: not **all** context peaple (whatever peaple means!) have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX, but **some** context peaple (I, for example, assuming peaple == people ) You are a counter example . So the statement is ** entirely true **.

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Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt is true

yes, as before

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I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that

ConTeXt

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has heaps of bugs.

There are some bugs.

As in most software projects. And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of bugs in ConTeXt. But still, it is very usable.

"lots of bug" and "still very usable" are contradictory statemens .

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LaTeX rocks...!

true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.

see before .

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-- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)

Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.

true . ** entirely true **. ::::||||:::: (^___^) -- luigi

Marcin Borkowski

4:22 a.m.

Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:09:08AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Marcin Borkowski < mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:

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Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

yes, true.

Not entirely (see below).

please, note: not **all** context peaple (whatever peaple means!) have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX, but **some** context peaple (I, for example, assuming peaple == people ) You are a counter example . So the statement is ** entirely true **.

ok, I give up;)

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Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt is true

yes, as before

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I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that

ConTeXt

...
...
has heaps of bugs.

There are some bugs.

As in most software projects. And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of bugs in ConTeXt. But still, it is very usable.

"lots of bug" and "still very usable" are contradictory statemens .

No. Most popular case: M$ Windows (although personally I'll argue about their "usability";)). The point is that ConTeXt bugs do not crash it in usual scenarios, but rather when some complex interactions are involved. So usually everything is fine, _unless_ you want something strange. And then - well, _strange_ things do happen.

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LaTeX rocks...!

true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.

see before .

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-- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)

Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.

true . ** entirely true **.

Glad you like it. (Personally, I use both emacs and vim. Really.) BTW: do you know what "vim" means? It is an old African word meaning "how do you quit this f#####g s##t?" Greets -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) People can be divided into three groups: those who can count and those who can't.

Aditya Mahajan

27 Nov 27 Nov

9:17 a.m.

New subject: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

Not in a mood to be involved in a latex-context flame today, but emacs-vim flame is another story :-) On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)

Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.

true . ** entirely true **.

Glad you like it. (Personally, I use both emacs and vim. Really.)

BTW: do you know what "vim" means? It is an old African word meaning "how do you quit this f#####g s##t?"

Maybe, that is why vim's "splash screen" gives information on how to quit it. Aditya

luigi scarso

9:23 a.m.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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Not in a mood to be involved in a latex-context flame today, but emacs-vim flame is another story :-)

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)

Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.

true . ** entirely true **.

Glad you like it. (Personally, I use both emacs and vim. Really.)

BTW: do you know what "vim" means? It is an old African word meaning "how do you quit this f#####g s##t?"

Maybe, that is why vim's "splash screen" gives information on how to quit it.

emacs will save the world, with a little help from his friend vim -- luigi

Yue Wang

26 Nov 26 Nov

3:20 a.m.

Hi: Please, shut up and code: we need to fix these bugs first! Yue Wang On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, wrote:

...
ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

yes, true.

Not entirely (see below).

...
Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt is true

...
I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

There are some bugs.

As in most software projects. And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of bugs in ConTeXt. But still, it is very usable.

...
...
LaTeX rocks...!

true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.

Well, I've been using LaTeX for several years and I don't think it to be really rocking. And neither is ConTeXt (yet) - see below.

And the question is: why to start yet another flame war?

I am the proof (by example) that the sets of plain TeX people, LaTeX people and ConTeXt people have a nonempty intersection. There are areas where LaTeX is much better than ConTeXt: when I write a paper on maths, almost no journal will accept ConTeXt. Also, LaTeX is very stable and ConTeXt is not. OTOH, when ConTeXt reaches the maturity level of LaTeX, it _will_ be much better - but we'll have to wait a while for it to happen.

Greets

-- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)

Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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luigi scarso

3:25 a.m.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Yue Wang wrote:

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Hi:

Please, shut up and code: we need to fix these bugs first!

For statistical reasons, we need some amount of flare wars and off-topics -- luigi

Mojca Miklavec

2:42 a.m.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

LaTeX rocks...!

"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." (A. Einstein)

Marcin Borkowski

2:49 a.m.

Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:28:35AM -0500, vafa@aol.com.au napisał(a):

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

LaTeX rocks...!

Sorry, but I just can't resist a joke: what you call a "bug" in ConTeXt world is called a "feature" in LaTeX. And to be more serious: I think I was rather fair in my previous post on the difference between (plain) TeX and ConTeXt. Also, LaTeX is "frozen" in some sense: the latest news on the LaTeX project site comes from 2005, IIRC. So the LaTeX "core" (or "kernel") is very stable (and, one has to admit, has very few bugs - and very limited features...). And LaTeX packages are quite a jungle. But still: there are lots of them which are very stable (or frozen), and some which are under constant development (pgf, for instance). Also, LaTeX documents are (usually) much simpler than ConTeXt documents, so it is much easier to have few bugs - there is less room for complex interactions (aside from package clashes, which happen from time to time). So if you want a stable document preparation and markup system with a large userbase, though sometimes limited functionality (try to do a two-column enumerate in LaTeX automatically, something like: 1) ... 3) ... 2) ... 4) ... without resorting to general multicolumn hackery - and the multicol package, which is not entirely free!), then yes, LaTeX is better. And if you want some features _not_ present in LaTeX or you need to typeset _really_ complex documents (complex in terms of layout, for example), or your documents are not scientific papers then ConTeXt is probably better. Greets -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) Szema Izrael: Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!

Yue Wang

2:56 a.m.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:28 PM, wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

Staying at an older version of ConTeXt (for example, I always use ConTeXt 2005.01 distributed in teTeX 3.0 for book and journal production) will have less bugs. And if bugs were found in these versions, they were always already been fixed some month after this release, so just copy the related code in the later versions to your tex file and then everything works fine again. (in fact, I found no serious bugs in that version).

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LaTeX rocks...!

Latex always run into problems here. hyperlink sometimes give me weird characters (it will always give wierd characters if the link contains CJK characters due to the bug in hyperref, whatever driver and engine you are using). packages are incompatible with each other and always runs into problem (I should keep in mind that package A should loaded before package B, and package A-fix should be place after package B to fix the incompatibility in package A and B, most packages have this problem, just to name a few: memoir, hyperref, amsmath, lucidabr, mnsymbol... ). And I cannot do grid typesetting or other advanced stuffs there. In fact, Plain TeX rocks! If you find bug in plain TeX, you can be famous overnight! (and I also love Karl Berry's eplain format, it's lightweight and powerful.)

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Hans Hagen

3 a.m.

New subject: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

vafa@aol.com.au wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

? for sure the luatex/mkiv (not to be confused with pdftex/mkii) pair has heaps of bugs (which are solved at some point) but it's just because we move on and because users here are willing to experiment with new stuff

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LaTeX rocks...!

vafa＠aol.com.au

4:33 a.m.

I am on the wrong list because I just said ``LaTeX rocks''? I would like to apologise you and anyone else from the bottom of my heart if I have offended you and others, but honestly I did not mean it. I am just on this list because I want to study ConText (its TeX programming) more deeply. -----Original Message----- From: Hans Hagen To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Sent: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position vafa@aol.com.au wrote:

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.

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LaTeX rocks...!

then you're on the wrong list -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Experience Email and instant messaging together - chat while you mail and mail while you chat! Register for your free email account at http://free.aol.com.au

Aditya Mahajan

27 Nov 27 Nov

9:27 a.m.

New subject: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, vafa@aol.com.au wrote:

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I am on the wrong list because I just said ``LaTeX rocks''?

There was a smiley at the end of that comment!

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I would like to apologise you and anyone else from the bottom of my heart if I have offended you and others, but honestly I did not mean it.

Relax. There is no need to apologize. I am sure that no one was offended, but they do not share your view.

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I am just on this list because I want to study ConText (its TeX programming) more deeply.

Aditya

Yue Wang

26 Nov 26 Nov

2:43 a.m.

moreover, setupinteraction[state=start, focus=normal] and \goto will always point to the wrong position in xetex. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 26.11.2008 um 10:04 schrieb Yue Wang:

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hi:

it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex engine. here is the sample file:

% engine=xetex

\starttext

\setupcolors [state=start]

\startMPpage path p ; color c[] ; p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ; c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ; c[1] := transparent(1,.5,green) ; c[2] := transparent(1,.5,blue) ; for i = 0 upto 2 : fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor white ; endfor ; for i = 0 upto 2 : fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor c[i] ; endfor ; addbackground withcolor transparent(1,.5,cmyk(0,0,1,0)) ; \stopMPpage

\stoptext

Make a entry in the bug tracker or it will be fogotten, I had a similiar problem quite some time ago:

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.085450.3b06d189.en.html

Wolfgang

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