Hi,
I use artix linux (a fork of arch with systemd alternative init systems). During the texlive package, I get this error:
return { ["filename"]="/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/basiclayer/pgfcorepoints.code.tex", ["lastcontext"]="\n<inserted text> \n \inaccessible \n<to be read again> \n "\n\pgfmath@catcodes ->\catcode `\==12 \catcode `\,=12 \catcode `\|=12 \catcode `\&=12 \let "\n \pgfmath@char@quote \n\pgfmathparse ->\begingroup \pgfmath@catcodes \n \pgfmath@quickparsefalse \ifpgfmathfloat \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathfloatparsenumber \else \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathparse@ \fi \pgfmath@parse@next \n<argument> \pgfmathparse \n {1cm}\ifpgfmathmathunitsdeclared \pgf@x \pgfmathresult mu\relax \else \pgf@x \pgfmathresult pt\relax \fi \n\pgfmath@next #1#2->#2\n \n...\nl.926 \pgfsetxvec{\pgfpoint{1cm}{0cm}}\n ", ["lastluaerror"]="?", ["lasttexerror"]="! Missing control sequence inserted", ["linenumber"]=926, ["offset"]=10, }
I simply run context to this file:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext {\bf a} \tikz (0,0) -- (1,0); \stoptext
My version of context is:
[xan@coronari ~]$ context --version mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 1.04 mtx-context | mtx-context | main context file: /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkiv/context.mkiv mtx-context | current version: 2023.03.10 12:15 mtx-context | main context file: /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkxl/context.mkxl mtx-context | current version: 2023.03.10 12:15
My packages are:
$ pacman -Qs texlive local/texlive-bibtexextra 2023.66579-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Additional BibTeX styles and bibliography databases local/texlive-bin 2023.66539-1 TeX Live binaries local/texlive-core 2023.66587-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live core distribution local/texlive-pictures 2023.66549-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Packages for drawings graphics local/texlive-publishers 2023.66550-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - LaTeX classes and packages for specific publishers local/texlive-science 2023.66461-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Typesetting for mathematics, natural and computer sciences
I also posted the message in Artix mailing list [https://lists.artixlinux.org/archives/artix-general/2023-March/000977.html]
Thanks in advance, Xavier
PS: In arch there are many AUR packages for installing minimal latest version:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/context-minimals-git https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/context https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/context-modules
Which one do you recomend to?
If I run the minimal context distro [https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installation], I get this:
$ context a.tex
resolvers | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': /home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/luametatex --jobname="./a.tex" --fmt=/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt --lua=/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./a.tex" --c:input="./a.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin" job > passes > version mismatch: 1.32 <> 1.33 system > system > ConTeXt ver: 2023.03.20 17:07 LMTX fmt: 2023.3.30 int: english/english system > system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded open source > level 1, order 1, name '/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl' system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv close source > level 1, order 1, name '/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl' system > files > jobname './a', input './a.tex', result './a' fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded languages > language 'en' is active open source > level 1, order 2, name './a.tex' modules > 'tikz' is loaded open source > level 2, order 3, name '/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkxl/m-tikz.mkxl' runtime error : input file 'pgfutil-common.tex' is not found, quitting mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1
So, the problem is not the package or the distro, it's something more basic which causes the error.
Thanks in advance,
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:52:51 +0200 "Xavier B." somenxavier@posteo.net ha escrit:
Hi,
I use artix linux (a fork of arch with systemd alternative init systems). During the texlive package, I get this error:
return { ["filename"]="/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/basiclayer/pgfcorepoints.code.tex", ["lastcontext"]="\n<inserted text> \n \inaccessible \n<to be read again> \n "\n\pgfmath@catcodes ->\catcode `\==12 \catcode `\,=12 \catcode `\|=12 \catcode `\&=12 \let "\n \pgfmath@char@quote \n\pgfmathparse ->\begingroup \pgfmath@catcodes \n \pgfmath@quickparsefalse \ifpgfmathfloat \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathfloatparsenumber \else \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathparse@ \fi \pgfmath@parse@next \n<argument> \pgfmathparse \n {1cm}\ifpgfmathmathunitsdeclared \pgf@x \pgfmathresult mu\relax \else \pgf@x \pgfmathresult pt\relax \fi \n\pgfmath@next #1#2->#2\n \n...\nl.926 \pgfsetxvec{\pgfpoint{1cm}{0cm}}\n ", ["lastluaerror"]="?", ["lasttexerror"]="! Missing control sequence inserted", ["linenumber"]=926, ["offset"]=10, }
I simply run context to this file:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext {\bf a} \tikz (0,0) -- (1,0); \stoptext
My version of context is:
[xan@coronari ~]$ context --version mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 1.04 mtx-context | mtx-context | main context file: /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkiv/context.mkiv mtx-context | current version: 2023.03.10 12:15 mtx-context | main context file: /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkxl/context.mkxl mtx-context | current version: 2023.03.10 12:15
My packages are:
$ pacman -Qs texlive local/texlive-bibtexextra 2023.66579-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Additional BibTeX styles and bibliography databases local/texlive-bin 2023.66539-1 TeX Live binaries local/texlive-core 2023.66587-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live core distribution local/texlive-pictures 2023.66549-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Packages for drawings graphics local/texlive-publishers 2023.66550-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - LaTeX classes and packages for specific publishers local/texlive-science 2023.66461-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Typesetting for mathematics, natural and computer sciences
I also posted the message in Artix mailing list [https://lists.artixlinux.org/archives/artix-general/2023-March/000977.html]
Thanks in advance, Xavier
PS: In arch there are many AUR packages for installing minimal latest version:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/context-minimals-git https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/context https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/context-modules
Which one do you recomend to?
I reported that tikz is not working a few months ago, but after a few back and forth with Hans, could not get it to work. At that time, it appeared that I was the only have having issues, so I thought that I was making a mistake in how I was installing the package.
I have reverted to using mkiv for my course notes, because I heavily use pgfplots and that is not working in LMTX. (I was also using some nice new features of metafun, and have had to resort to compiling them externally using LMTX via the filter module and compiling the main doc with MkIV).
afaik tikz should work ok, so can you make a test file?
Hans
Perhaps this is a good test. It's a complete example:
\setupcolors[state=start] \definecolor[darkgreen][g=.5] \usemodule[tikz]
\starttext
\starttikzpicture[ scale=3,line cap=round axes/.style=, important line/.style={very thick}, information text/.style={rounded corners,fill=red!10,inner sep=1ex} ]
\draw[help lines,step=0.5cm] (-1.4,-1.4) grid (1.4,1.4); \draw (0,0) circle (1cm); \draw[->] (-1.5,0) -- (1.5,0) node[right] {$x$} coordinate(x axis); \draw[->] (0,-1.5) -- (0,1.5) node[above] {$y$} coordinate(y axis); \foreach \x/\xtext in {-1, -.5/-\frac{1}{2}, 1} \draw[xshift=\x cm] (0pt,1pt) -- (0pt,-1pt) node[below,fill=white] {$\xtext$}; \foreach \y/\ytext in {-1, -.5/-\frac{1}{2}, .5/\frac{1}{2}, 1} \draw[yshift=\y cm] (1pt,0pt) -- (-1pt,0pt) node[left,fill=white] {$\ytext$}; \filldraw[fill=green!20,draw=green!50!black] (0,0) -- (3mm,0pt) arc(0:30:3mm); \draw (15:2mm) node[green!50!black] {$\alpha$}; \draw[important line,red] (30:1cm) -- node[left=1pt,fill=white] {$\sin \alpha$} (30:1cm |- x axis); \draw[important line,blue] (30:1cm |- x axis) -- node[below=2pt,fill=white] {$\cos \alpha$} (0,0); \draw[important line,orange!80!black] (1,0) -- node[right=1pt,fill=white] { $\displaystyle \tan \alpha \black = \frac{{\red \sin \alpha}}{\blue \cos \alpha}$} (intersection of 0,0--30:1cm and 1,0--1,1) coordinate (t); \draw (0,0) -- (t); \draw[xshift=1.85cm] node[right,text width=6cm,information text] { The {\darkgreen angle $\alpha$} is $30^\circ$ in the example ($\pi/6$ in radians). The {\red sine of $\alpha$}, which is the height of the red line, is \startformula {\red \sin \alpha} = 1/2. \stopformula By the Theorem of Pythagoras ... }; \stoptikzpicture
\stoptext
Taking from tikz manual [https://wiki.contextgarden.net/TikZ]
Xavier
Hi Xavier,
During the texlive package, I get this error:
I simply run context to this file:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext {\bf a} \tikz (0,0) -- (1,0); \stoptext
So, the problem is not the package or the distro, it's something more basic which causes the error.
Someone else reported this issue to the TikZ GitHub:
https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/1248
so it's definitely not just you. There's also a suggested (temporary) solution there. For a more permanent solution, someone will need to patch the m-tikz.mkXX files distributed with ConTeXt.
-- Max
Thanks, Max, for finding the problem. It is related to two more bugs: https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/990 and https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/958
Perhaps Hans or other people could help tikz staff to do the pending and definitive solution. It's annoying to have to put workarrounds in production documents.
There is just a glad mkiv user ;-)
Thanks another way, Xavier
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:57:06 -0600 Max Chernoff mseven@telus.net ha escrit:
Hi Xavier,
During the texlive package, I get this error:
I simply run context to this file:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext {\bf a} \tikz (0,0) -- (1,0); \stoptext
So, the problem is not the package or the distro, it's something more basic which causes the error.
Someone else reported this issue to the TikZ GitHub:
https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/1248
so it's definitely not just you. There's also a suggested (temporary) solution there. For a more permanent solution, someone will need to patch the m-tikz.mkXX files distributed with ConTeXt.
-- Max
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023, Xavier B. via ntg-context wrote:
Thanks, Max, for finding the problem. It is related to two more bugs: https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/990 and https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/958
Perhaps Hans or other people could help tikz staff to do the pending and definitive solution. It's annoying to have to put workarrounds in production documents.
There is just a glad mkiv user ;-)
I reported that tikz is not working a few months ago, but after a few back and forth with Hans, could not get it to work. At that time, it appeared that I was the only have having issues, so I thought that I was making a mistake in how I was installing the package.
I have reverted to using mkiv for my course notes, because I heavily use pgfplots and that is not working in LMTX. (I was also using some nice new features of metafun, and have had to resort to compiling them externally using LMTX via the filter module and compiling the main doc with MkIV).
Aditya
On 3/31/2023 2:42 AM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023, Xavier B. via ntg-context wrote:
Thanks, Max, for finding the problem. It is related to two more bugs: https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/990 and https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/958
Perhaps Hans or other people could help tikz staff to do the pending and definitive solution. It's annoying to have to put workarrounds in production documents.
There is just a glad mkiv user ;-)
I reported that tikz is not working a few months ago, but after a few back and forth with Hans, could not get it to work. At that time, it appeared that I was the only have having issues, so I thought that I was making a mistake in how I was installing the package.
I have reverted to using mkiv for my course notes, because I heavily use pgfplots and that is not working in LMTX. (I was also using some nice new features of metafun, and have had to resort to compiling them externally using LMTX via the filter module and compiling the main doc with MkIV).
afaik tikz should work ok, so can you make a test file?
Hans
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On 3/30/2023 11:56 PM, Xavier B. via ntg-context wrote:
Thanks, Max, for finding the problem. It is related to two more bugs: https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/990 and https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/958
Perhaps Hans or other people could help tikz staff to do the pending and definitive solution. It's annoying to have to put workarrounds in production documents.
There is just a glad mkiv user ;-)
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext Hello World. \stoptext
works ok here
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext \starttikzpicture \node [left color=red, right color=yellow] {Hello}; \stoptikzpicture \stoptext
fails on
\setbox \pgfutil@tempboxa =\hbox dir TLT to\pgfmathresult pt{\vbox
because we don't have 'dir TLT' in luametatex (and more engines don't so i would expect tikz to have some abstraction for that)
Hans
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
On 3/30/2023 11:56 PM, Xavier B. via ntg-context wrote:
Thanks, Max, for finding the problem. It is related to two more bugs: https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/990 and https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/958
Perhaps Hans or other people could help tikz staff to do the pending and definitive solution. It's annoying to have to put workarrounds in production documents.
There is just a glad mkiv user ;-)
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext Hello World. \stoptext
works ok here
Last time I tested, a simple \starttikzpicture \draw (0,0)--(1,0); \stoptikzpicture was failing. I'll try again with the latest version of LMTX + TikZ.
Hans, are you using the latest version of tikz from ctan? Some of these issues are due to recent changes made in tikz.
Aditya
On 3/31/2023 6:43 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
On 3/30/2023 11:56 PM, Xavier B. via ntg-context wrote:
Thanks, Max, for finding the problem. It is related to two more bugs: https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/990 and https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/958
Perhaps Hans or other people could help tikz staff to do the pending and definitive solution. It's annoying to have to put workarrounds in production documents.
There is just a glad mkiv user ;-)
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext Hello World. \stoptext
works ok here
Last time I tested, a simple \starttikzpicture \draw (0,0)--(1,0); \stoptikzpicture was failing. I'll try again with the latest version of LMTX + TikZ.
Hans, are you using the latest version of tikz from ctan? Some of these issues are due to recent changes made in tikz.
What should i take ... is there one has-it-all zip there?
Hans
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Am Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:10:43 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext Hello World. \stoptext works ok here
It fails for me in texlive 2023.
I don't know who changed what here, but it looks like a catcode problem. context loads tikz files in m-tikz.mkxl with \tikzinputfiles, and that calls \setcatcodetable\texcatcodes. After that ~ has catcode 12 and that breaks the \let~\pdfmath@char@quote in the pgfmathparser.code.tex file
\begingroup \lccode`~=`" \lowercase{\endgroup \def\pgfmath@catcodes{% \catcode`==12 % \catcode`,=12 % \catcode`|=12 % \catcode`&=12 % \let~\pgfmath@char@quote }}%
On 3/31/2023 8:16 PM, Ulrike Fischer via ntg-context wrote:
Am Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:10:43 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext Hello World. \stoptext works ok here
It fails for me in texlive 2023.
works here
I don't know who changed what here, but it looks like a catcode
something in tikz i guess
Hans
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Max, when I use context minimals, I get:
modules > 'pgfrcs' is not found modules > 'pgfmat' is not found modules > 'tikz' is loaded open source > level 3, order 4, name '/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkxl/m-tikz.mkxl' runtime error : input file 'pgfutil-common.tex' is not found, quitting mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1 make: *** [Makefile:10: ng-exercicis.conTeXt.pdf] Error 1 [xan@coronari apunts-espa]$
but when I run texlive, no errors shown:
$ pacman -Qs texlive local/texlive-bin 2023.66539-1 TeX Live binaries local/texlive-core 2023.66587-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live core distribution local/texlive-pictures 2023.66549-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Packages for drawings graphics local/texlive-science 2023.66461-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Typesetting for mathematics, natural and computer sciences
Any hints?
Hi Xavier,
On Sun, 2023-04-02 at 11:00 +0000, Xavier B. wrote:
Max, when I use context minimals, I get:
modules > 'pgfrcs' is not found modules > 'pgfmat' is not found modules > 'tikz' is loaded open source > level 3, order 4, name '/home/xan/bin/context-minimal/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkxl/m-tikz.mkxl' runtime error : input file 'pgfutil-common.tex' is not found, quitting mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1 make: *** [Makefile:10: ng-exercicis.conTeXt.pdf] Error 1 [xan@coronari apunts-espa]$
but when I run texlive, no errors shown:
$ pacman -Qs texlive local/texlive-bin 2023.66539-1 TeX Live binaries local/texlive-core 2023.66587-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live core distribution local/texlive-pictures 2023.66549-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Packages for drawings graphics local/texlive-science 2023.66461-1 (texlive-most) TeX Live - Typesetting for mathematics, natural and computer sciences
Any hints?
The ConTeXt distribution doesn't contain any packages/modules by default, so you'll need to install TikZ manually. I usually use the script listed here:
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules#ConTeXt_LMTX
But you could also install manually using the .zip file here:
https://mirrors.ctan.org/install/graphics/pgf/base/pgf.tds.zip
-- Max
On 3/30/2023 8:52 PM, Xavier B. via ntg-context wrote:
Hi,
I use artix linux (a fork of arch with systemd alternative init systems). During the texlive package, I get this error:
return { ["filename"]="/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/basiclayer/pgfcorepoints.code.tex", ["lastcontext"]="\n<inserted text> \n \inaccessible \n<to be read again> \n "\n\pgfmath@catcodes ->\catcode `\==12 \catcode `\,=12 \catcode `\|=12 \catcode `\&=12 \let "\n \pgfmath@char@quote \n\pgfmathparse ->\begingroup \pgfmath@catcodes \n \pgfmath@quickparsefalse \ifpgfmathfloat \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathfloatparsenumber \else \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathparse@ \fi \pgfmath@parse@next \n<argument> \pgfmathparse \n {1cm}\ifpgfmathmathunitsdeclared \pgf@x \pgfmathresult mu\relax \else \pgf@x \pgfmathresult pt\relax \fi \n\pgfmath@next #1#2->#2\n \n...\nl.926 \pgfsetxvec{\pgfpoint{1cm}{0cm}}\n ", ["lastluaerror"]="?", ["lasttexerror"]="! Missing control sequence inserted", ["linenumber"]=926, ["offset"]=10, }
I simply run context to this file:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext {\bf a} \tikz (0,0) -- (1,0); \stoptext
i have little clue about tikz but shouldn't that be something
\tikz \draw (0,0) -- (1,0);
at least that gives a line here.
Hans
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On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 4:01 PM Xavier B. via ntg-context < ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
Hi,
I use artix linux (a fork of arch with systemd alternative init systems).
I get the same error for TL2023 in Windows, with additional output:
<empty file> Please don't say '\def cs{...}', say '\def\cs{...}'. I've inserted an inaccessible control sequence so that your definition will be completed without mixing me up too badly. mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1
During the texlive package, I get this error:
return {
["filename"]="/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/basiclayer/pgfcorepoints.code.tex", ["lastcontext"]="\n<inserted text> \n \inaccessible \n<to be read again> \n "\n\pgfmath@catcodes ->\catcode `\==12 \catcode `\,=12 \catcode `\|=12 \catcode `\&=12 \let "\n \pgfmath@char@quote \n\pgfmathparse ->\begingroup \pgfmath@catcodes \n \pgfmath@quickparsefalse \ifpgfmathfloat \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathfloatparsenumber \else \let \pgfmath@parse@next =\pgfmathparse@ \fi \pgfmath@parse@next \n<argument> \pgfmathparse \n {1cm}\ifpgfmathmathunitsdeclared \pgf@x \pgfmathresult mu\relax \else \pgf@x \pgfmathresult pt\relax \fi \n\pgfmath@next #1#2->#2\n \n...\nl.926 \pgfsetxvec{\pgfpoint{1cm}{0cm}}\n ", ["lastluaerror"]="?", ["lasttexerror"]="! Missing control sequence inserted", ["linenumber"]=926, ["offset"]=10, }
I simply run context to this file:
\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext {\bf a} \tikz (0,0) -- (1,0); \stoptext
pgfcorepoints.code.tex hasn't changed from TeXLive 2022.
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