Hi all! Using the example below I have completed a test using a larger book. This time I downloaded War and Peace from the Gutenberg Project and extracted the individual xhtml files for Context. I played around with the setups for the align:pass:test4 code below, as Hans suggested, and it was changing the \tolerance value which made the difference. Increasing the \tolerance value to 1000 eliminated all overfull hboxes but still left 79 underfull hboxes. I continued to increase the \tolerance value up to 6600 and was left with two overfull hboxes. One with a badness of 6641 (warAndPeace1.png) and one with a badness of 1097 (warAndPeace2.png). Above the \tolerance of 6600 only warAndPeace2.png was left with a badness of 1097. Both of these underfull hboxes were at the beginning of a paragraph - "To his Honor" in the first png and "Well, you see," in the second png. I not sure a reader would spot the second png badness but the first is noticeable to my eyes. I'm very pleased how the book has turned out, all 1668 pages of it as an approximately 13cm by 20cm book. The pdf is 4MB and each run in ConTeXt takes about 10 seconds on my M1 mac mini. I'm interested in seeing how \setupalignpass develops and learning more of how to use it. Best Wishes Keith McKay On 21/07/2023 17:33, Keith McKay wrote:

Thanks Hans!

I'll have a play and keep an eye on updates

Best Wishes

Keith

On 21/07/2023 17:10, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

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Hi Keith,

Here an example that Mikael made for such a book:

\showframe

% let's very strict

\startsetups [*default]

    \directsetup{*reset}

    \frozen\widowpenalty        10000     \frozen\clubpenalty         10000     \frozen\displaywidowpenalty 10000     \frozen\brokenpenalty       0 % \defaultbrokenpenalty

\stopsetups

% we enable the use of expansion (this feature might become preset % because we now delay setting the vectors anyway so less overhead)

\definefontfeature   [default]   [default]   [expansion=quality,    protrusion=quality,    itlc=yes]

% vertical expansion

\setuplayout   [vz=2]

% for which we need:

% \setupalign[hanging,depth,stretch,granular]

\setupalign[depth,stretch,granular]

% here are the passes:

\startsetups align:pass:test4     \pretolerance 100     \tolerance    200     \parpasses    4         classes              \indecentparpassclasses         threshold            0.025pt         adjustspacing          3         adjustspacingstep      1         adjustspacingshrink    5         adjustspacingstretch  10     next         classes              \indecentparpassclasses         threshold            0.025pt         adjustspacing          3         adjustspacingstep      1         adjustspacingshrink   10         adjustspacingstretch  20     next         classes              \indecentparpassclasses         threshold            0.025pt         adjustspacing          3         adjustspacingstep      1         adjustspacingshrink   25         adjustspacingstretch  50     next         classes              \indecentparpassclasses         threshold            0.025pt         adjustspacing          3         adjustspacingstep      1         adjustspacingshrink   50         adjustspacingstretch 100     \relax \stopsetups

\setupalignpass[test4]

\starttext     ... \stoptext

(work in progress so keep an eye on updates)

Hans

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Thanks Hraban, didn't think of that so will give it a try. Best Wishes Keith On Fri, 28 Jul 2023, 17:28 Henning Hraban Ramm, wrote:

Am 28.07.23 um 17:04 schrieb Keith McKay:

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I played around with the setups for the align:pass:test4 code below, as Hans suggested, and it was changing the \tolerance value which made the difference. Increasing the \tolerance value to 1000 eliminated all overfull hboxes but still left 79 underfull hboxes. I continued to increase the \tolerance value up to 6600 and was left with two overfull hboxes. One with a badness of 6641 (warAndPeace1.png) and one with a badness of 1097 (warAndPeace2.png). Above the \tolerance of 6600 only warAndPeace2.png was left with a badness of 1097. Both of these underfull hboxes were at the beginning of a paragraph - "To his Honor" in the first png and "Well, you see," in the second png. I not sure a reader would spot the second png badness but the first is noticeable to my eyes.

Hi Keith, since both cases are caused by names with accents, did you try to add hyphenation exceptions for those? Such cases are probably not covered by English hyphentation rules.

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Dear List members, For my academic work with context I need the following cite according to Apa standards: Knuth (1984, p. 12) mentions …. The matrix is this: AUTHOR (YYYY, p.~n). I reckon this can somehow be accomplished with the \setupbtx command. (Standard these and other variants are possible: AUTHOR (YYYY) and AUTHOR YYYY, p. n.) I tried different setups: \setupbtx[apa:cite:authoryear], and \setupbtx[apa:cite:authoryears], I played with the lefttext, righttext and other options, but none of them give the desired result. Thank you for any suggestions. Regards, Robert @article{Knuth1984, author={Knuth, Donald E.}, title={Literate Programming}, journal={The Computer Journal}, Volume={27}, Number={2}, year={1984}, Pages={97--111}, }

Thank you, Alan for the suggestion. I tried as you said: \cite[alternative=authoryears,righttext={{, p. 3}}][Knuth1984]. Yet the result is this: Knuth (1984), , p. 3 If I leave out the first comma, the result is: Knuth (1984), p. 3 Righttext probably refers to the text outside the parentheses. Thank you in advance, Robert.

Op 1 aug. 2023, om 22:42 heeft Alan Braslau het volgende geschreven:

Using the APA specification:

\usebtxdefinitions [apa]

you can then

\cite[alternative=authoryears,righttext={{, p.\nbsp 12}}] [Knuth1984] mentions ….

The tricky part concerning righttext= is the double {{ }}, needed because the text contains a comma. The reason for this is simple, as righttext is a comma-separated list, where each entry corresponds to a cited reference, as in \cite[righttext={a,b}] [ref1,ref2] so a is associated with ref1 and b is associated with ref2.

Alan

On 01/08/23 01/08/23, 15:37, Robert via ntg-context wrote:

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Dear List members, For my academic work with context I need the following cite according to Apa standards: Knuth (1984, p. 12) mentions …. The matrix is this: AUTHOR (YYYY, p.~n). I reckon this can somehow be accomplished with the \setupbtx command. (Standard these and other variants are possible: AUTHOR (YYYY) and AUTHOR YYYY, p. n.) I tried different setups: \setupbtx[apa:cite:authoryear], and \setupbtx[apa:cite:authoryears], I played with the lefttext, righttext and other options, but none of them give the desired result. Thank you for any suggestions. Regards, Robert @article{Knuth1984, author={Knuth, Donald E.}, title={Literate Programming}, journal={The Computer Journal}, Volume={27}, Number={2}, year={1984}, Pages={97--111}, }

Dear Alan, Thanks for your response. What I need in fact is this Knuth (1984:12). I am sorry for the confusion. I will try your suggestions! Robert

Op 4 aug. 2023, om 13:57 heeft Alan Braslau het volgende geschreven:

Indeed, one does not need the comma, it is programmed in the style. You can see this in the manual, on p. 43 documenting citations.

The style is setup to put the righttext inside the parenthesis for alternative=authoryear and outside of the year parenthesis for alternative=authoryears.

I looked carefully in the APA Style Guide and did not find any suggestion that one should use Knuth (1984, p. 3). The variant (Knuth, 1984, p. 3) is documented.

You can make the following changes (untested) \setupbtx [apa:cite:author:years] [right=] \setupbtx [apa:cite:authoryears] [right={)}] to get the other behavior.

-- Alan

On 01/08/23 01/08/23, 23:26, Robert via ntg-context wrote:

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Thank you, Alan for the suggestion. I tried as you said: \cite[alternative=authoryears,righttext={{, p. 3}}][Knuth1984]. Yet the result is this: Knuth (1984), , p. 3 If I leave out the first comma, the result is: Knuth (1984), p. 3 Righttext probably refers to the text outside the parentheses. Thank you in advance, Robert.

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Op 1 aug. 2023, om 22:42 heeft Alan Braslau het volgende geschreven:

Using the APA specification:

\usebtxdefinitions [apa]

you can then

\cite[alternative=authoryears,righttext={{, p.\nbsp 12}}] [Knuth1984] mentions ….

The tricky part concerning righttext= is the double {{ }}, needed because the text contains a comma. The reason for this is simple, as righttext is a comma-separated list, where each entry corresponds to a cited reference, as in \cite[righttext={a,b}] [ref1,ref2] so a is associated with ref1 and b is associated with ref2.

Alan

On 01/08/23 01/08/23, 15:37, Robert via ntg-context wrote:

...

Dear List members, For my academic work with context I need the following cite according to Apa standards: Knuth (1984, p. 12) mentions …. The matrix is this: AUTHOR (YYYY, p.~n). I reckon this can somehow be accomplished with the \setupbtx command. (Standard these and other variants are possible: AUTHOR (YYYY) and AUTHOR YYYY, p. n.) I tried different setups: \setupbtx[apa:cite:authoryear], and \setupbtx[apa:cite:authoryears], I played with the lefttext, righttext and other options, but none of them give the desired result. Thank you for any suggestions. Regards, Robert @article{Knuth1984, author={Knuth, Donald E.}, title={Literate Programming}, journal={The Computer Journal}, Volume={27}, Number={2}, year={1984}, Pages={97--111}, }