Am 28.10.18 um 20:37 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

If I just typeset frames, they get 1pt of space inbetween:

\starttext

\offinterlineskip

\dorecurse{20}{% %\vskip-1pt% to avoid space \framed[width=10cm,height=1cm]{\ConTeXt}% } \stoptext

Herbert

I’m not quite sure if that shows the real problem and if that really was tight before.

With my tiny labels I had to \vskip-2.365mm to make them fit again. There the font size was set to 7.5pt and the baselineskip to 2ex. But these settings didn’t change the 1pt between frames. The difference it probably due to the labels consisting of nested \frameds with images.

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Am 2018-10-28 um 20:01 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm :

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Ahoi,

there were a few strange changes in ConTeXt rendering since about since mid-August, probably all related to box handling.

I recognized \framed inserts some additional space when I re-typeset some sheets of labels that suddenly didn’t fit the labels any more.

Today my editor in chief asked me where the pagination of our magazine went to – I guess its footer box became too small, couldn’t investigate yet. He didn’t see that the type on the back is askew, probably also from the additional space around a \framed

Such sudden changes are really frustrating and might cost me a lot of money (the magazine is already printed and distributed).

I’ll try to come up with a MWE.

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Am 29.10.18 um 16:13 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

But it doesn’t help with my labels.

you have a \setupinterlinespace[2ex] so \offinterlinespace has no real meaning here. Try it without and \setupinterlinespace[0.1pt]

And why did it work without \offinterlineskip before?

No idea ... Herbert, hope that I understand your problem well

So, \offinterlineskip disables the interline skip completely?

Indeed, it is just plain TeX. In order to inhibit the interline glue in front of the next line only, use \nointerlineskip. dr. Hans van der Meer

On 30 Oct 2018, at 14:08, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2018-10-29 um 16:47 schrieb Herbert Voss :

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Am 29.10.18 um 16:13 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

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But it doesn’t help with my labels.

you have a

\setupinterlinespace[2ex]

so \offinterlinespace has no real meaning here. Try it without and

\setupinterlinespace[0.1pt]

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And why did it work without \offinterlineskip before?

No idea ...

Herbert, hope that I understand your problem well

I already tried without \setupinterlinespace, no change.

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The columns environment uses now the newer mixedcolumns mechanism which is the reason for the differences in your document. To use the older columns mechanism add \usemodule[old-multicolumns] to your document. Wolfgang Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 07.11.18 um 22:53:

In the last days I recognized that some of my ConTeXt projects behave differently WRT spacing, not only with \framed, but also with heads - everywhere there’s more space induced than before. The attached screenshot shows an example of before and after.

The headings are set up like

\setuphead[section,subject][page=no, before={\testpage[7]\blank},after=, previousnumber=no, sectionsegments=section] \setuphead[subsection,subsubject][style={\bf}, before={\testpage[7]\blank[small]},after=, sectionsegments=section:subsection]

"1 Aufnahme" is a section, "1.1" is a subsection; I always use the start/stop version.

To get back to the old behaviour, I need to replace the \blank commands with a negative vskip of font size! And then there’s still space inserted if the heading starts at the top of a column.

I tried to come up with a MWE – headingspacetest.tex shows at least that there’s always space inserted before section headers.

It might be related to some font handling, since the spacing changes affect different "things" in different projects – frames with my label stickers and on my magazine covers, headings like here. Or maybe the changes are unrelated.

This change happened between ConTeXt versions 2018.07.27 and 2018.09.01. I didn’t change my code.

Unfortunately there are no older versions of ConTeXt to go back to any more.

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On 9/11/18 11:41 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Thank you, I only tried \usemodule[old-columnsets] before.

It’s really annoying if ConTeXt proves unreliable time and again. I’m trying to replace InDesign in my workflows as often as possible, but if I need to check and rework my environments with every other beta, it’s no fun and costs a lot of time.

Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”. If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.

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Am 2018-11-08 um 18:32 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster :

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The columns environment uses now the newer mixedcolumns mechanism which is the reason for the differences in your document.

To use the older columns mechanism add \usemodule[old-multicolumns] to your document.

Wolfgang

Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 07.11.18 um 22:53:

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In the last days I recognized that some of my ConTeXt projects behave differently WRT spacing, not only with \framed, but also with heads - everywhere there’s more space induced than before. The attached screenshot shows an example of before and after.

The headings are set up like

\setuphead[section,subject][page=no, before={\testpage[7]\blank},after=, previousnumber=no, sectionsegments=section] \setuphead[subsection,subsubject][style={\bf}, before={\testpage[7]\blank[small]},after=, sectionsegments=section:subsection]

"1 Aufnahme" is a section, "1.1" is a subsection; I always use the start/stop version.

To get back to the old behaviour, I need to replace the \blank commands with a negative vskip of font size! And then there’s still space inserted if the heading starts at the top of a column.

I tried to come up with a MWE – headingspacetest.tex shows at least that there’s always space inserted before section headers.

It might be related to some font handling, since the spacing changes affect different "things" in different projects – frames with my label stickers and on my magazine covers, headings like here. Or maybe the changes are unrelated.

This change happened between ConTeXt versions 2018.07.27 and 2018.09.01. I didn’t change my code.

Unfortunately there are no older versions of ConTeXt to go back to any more.

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On 11/9/2018 1:50 PM, Clyde Johnston wrote:

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Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”. If you don't want your documents to break, don't update.

Does ConTeXt have an LTS (long-term stable) release?

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Hi, I solve the same problem for ages... I decided for fixed time points related with new edition of TeXlive. Advantages: TeXlive versions (from my point of view) are most stable. You really can compile your files repeatedly getting the same result. Disadvantages: You have to store all TeXlive editions. All TeXlive editions are space demanding. You have make notes on your files/projects which version was used. You cannot use new features if you are going to refresh the project. This is my way but maybe there is something better. [I work ConTeXt since 2010 and only with MkIV.] Best wishes, Tomas Fri, Nov 09, 2018 ve 02:40:30PM +0100 Henning Hraban Ramm napsal(a): # Am 2018-11-08 um 23:51 schrieb Henri Menke : # # > Clearly you haven't understood the meaning of “beta”. # # Thank you for educating me. # # > If you don't want your documents to break, don't update. # # Since when? # I started using ConTeXt in 1999 and don’t expect my MkII code to work any more. # I’m still kind of an evangelist for ConTeXt, but that doesn’t protect me from getting very frustrated at times. # # It seems to me that the replacement of the column layout code was premature, when it breaks heading setup, frame handling and can’t handle columns that don’t start at the top of a page. # # # Greetlings, Hraban # --- # https://www.fiee.net # http://wiki.contextgarden.net # https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de # GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD # # ___________________________________________________________________________________ # If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! # # maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context # webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net # archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ # wiki : http://contextgarden.net # ___________________________________________________________________________________ Tomáš Hála -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mendelova univerzita, Provozně ekonomická fakulta, ústav informatiky Zemědělská 1, CZ-613 00 Brno, tel. +420 545 13 22 28 -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://akela.mendelu.cz/~thala

Hello Henning, I go similar way as Alan does - I'm updating ConTeXt (usually) once a week while keeping backups of the previous versions. My experience is that cca once a year I'm forced to get back to a previous Ctx copy as something stops working (IIRC, there some issues with switching to Lua 5.2 and now to Lua 5.3, an issue with Lua sorting alg which probably added a sortaity check at a point, a TickZ issue - all has been passed successfully over time (.dll rebuild with upper Lua releases, my fault in sorting alg, ...)), but some time later I "boarded" back to the "train-of-ConTeXt-beta-releases". I'm working on Windows (W7 and WX) - so for the case you were interested, I'm attaching some batches to save & update ConTeXt beta (call ReNew.bat from your Ctx installation direcory (d:\Ctx-Beta in my case); and also you need to have 7z installed which is used to zip the latest ConTeXt installation before update; .ba_ to be renamed to .bat). Best regards, Lukas On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 16:23:55 +0100, Alan Braslau wrote:

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 15:05:59 +0100 Tomas Hala wrote:

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I solve the same problem for ages... I decided for fixed time points

If it may be useful: I keep a very short-term backup so that when things "break" or change, I can easily backtrack to a working copy. I update using the following shell script:

#!/bin/sh CONTEXTHOME=${HOME}/context if [ ! -d ${CONTEXTHOME}/beta ] ; then mkdir -p ${CONTEXTHOME}/beta fi if [ ! -d ${CONTEXTHOME}/previous ] ; then mkdir -p ${CONTEXTHOME}/previous fi cd ${CONTEXTHOME}/beta echo "*** move current to previous ***" rsync -av --delete --progress . ../previous echo "*** update beta ***" rsync -ptv --progress rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh . 2>&1 | tee first-setup.log

./first-setup.sh --modules=all --fonts=all --engine=luatex 2>&1 | tee -a first-setup.log

This will not help against any undetected changes that may go unnoticed for a while between different projects, but does protect me against immediate "bugs".

Hans has suggested keeping a ConTeXt standalone copy in each separate project file, as it is small enough that such duplication does not take up too much space. (As we strip-down the distribution and as storage space becomes bigger and bigger, this should not be a problem.) The advantage of having a copy associated with a project is that one can come back, years later even, and produce *exactly* the same output.

Alan

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Hans Hagen schrieb am 09.11.18 um 17:01:

- the new mixed column code has been around for even longer (and always was default on my machine) btu the old code is available as module

A big difference between the old columns environment and the new mixed columns code is that the new environment uses grid snapping by default which can result in blank lines in the output. Below is a simplified version of Henning problems which produces an blank line when you use bold text. \showboxes \starttext \startcolumns[balance=no] \snaptogrid[]\hbox{\setstrut\begstrut Ward\endstrut} \samplefile{ward} \snaptogrid[]\hbox{\bf\setstrut\begstrut Ward\endstrut} \samplefile{ward} \stopcolumns \stoptext Two simple ways to get rid of the blank line are 1. to disable the strut for the section or 2. to disable the grid snapping for the section. \showboxes \setuphead[section][before=,after=] \setuphead[section][style=bold] \define[1]\Sample   {\begingroup      \setuphead[section][#1]      \section{Ward \doifsomething{#1}{\tttf [#1]}}      \samplefile{ward}\par    \endgroup} \starttext \startcolumns[balance=no] \Sample{} \Sample{style=} \Sample{strut=no} \Sample{grid=no} \stopcolumns \stoptext Wolfgang