Hi, Thanks to Mojca's persistent efforts we now generate arm osx binaries on the build infrastructure, so lmtx now ships native arm bins for apples. There are also intel solaris builds now but no installers for those platforms (yet). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Great news on the Apple front! Thanks to Mojca and ConTeXt. Best Wishes Keith McKay On 10/04/2021 16:21, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
Thanks to Mojca's persistent efforts we now generate arm osx binaries on the build infrastructure, so lmtx now ships native arm bins for apples. There are also intel solaris builds now but no installers for those platforms (yet).
Hans
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Hi, Thank you Mojca and Hans for the new binary for MacOS ARM: yesterday I installed it on my new MacBook Pro ARM and everything works like a charm. Just for the persons who run into difficulties when running sh install.sh and see that MacOS 11 prevents mtxrun to run properly, in the Finder you should find the file context-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun and then you press Control while clicking on it. You’ll see a pop up window, and you choose Open, and when the Finder tells you whether you really want to open that file, you say YES… After this, the install script does what it has to do and you don’t need anymore to authorize mtxrun to run. Best regards: Otared
On 10 Apr 2021, at 17:21, Hans Hagen
wrote: Hi,
Thanks to Mojca's persistent efforts we now generate arm osx binaries on the build infrastructure, so lmtx now ships native arm bins for apples. There are also intel solaris builds now but no installers for those platforms (yet).
Hans
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An alternative way is to go to Preferences>>Security and Privacy>>General.
And then click on Open anyway and that's it sorted.
Best Wishes
Keith
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 18:47 Otared Kavian,
Hi,
Thank you Mojca and Hans for the new binary for MacOS ARM: yesterday I installed it on my new MacBook Pro ARM and everything works like a charm.
Just for the persons who run into difficulties when running sh install.sh and see that MacOS 11 prevents mtxrun to run properly, in the Finder you should find the file
context-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun
and then you press Control while clicking on it. You’ll see a pop up window, and you choose Open, and when the Finder tells you whether you really want to open that file, you say YES… After this, the install script does what it has to do and you don’t need anymore to authorize mtxrun to run.
Best regards: Otared
On 10 Apr 2021, at 17:21, Hans Hagen
wrote: Hi,
Thanks to Mojca's persistent efforts we now generate arm osx binaries on the build infrastructure, so lmtx now ships native arm bins for apples. There are also intel solaris builds now but no installers for those platforms (yet).
Hans
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Hi all (especially Keith who successfully got Context running on the new M1 Mac OS ARM) Again thanks to Mojca for providing the Mac OS ARM download. I recently replace my old Mac with the new ARM one. I am having difficulty getting ConTeXt to work. This is what I have done and the information from the console. I downloaded: context-osx-arm64.zip In terminal: cd /Users/charlesdoherty/context-osx-arm64 Ran sh install.sh and all seems ok (following Keith’s advice on privacy). I made an engine for TeXShop based on what worked before: #!/bin/Zsh export PATH=$PATH:~/context-osx-arm64/bin:~/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin ~/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --directives="system.showerror" --autopdf "$1" --purgeall I made it executable. When I typeset a file in TeXShop using this engine I get: /Users/charlesdoherty/Library/TeXShop/Engines/ARM.engine:3: bad CPU type in executable: /Users/charlesdoherty/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun I have tried various options to no avail but I would really appreciate some help on this (longhand rather than cryptic would be really helpful). Thanks, Charlie
On 11 Apr 2021, at 19:27, Keith McKay
wrote: An alternative way is to go to Preferences>>Security and Privacy>>General. And then click on Open anyway and that's it sorted. Best Wishes Keith
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 18:47 Otared Kavian,
mailto:otared@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Thank you Mojca and Hans for the new binary for MacOS ARM: yesterday I installed it on my new MacBook Pro ARM and everything works like a charm.
Just for the persons who run into difficulties when running sh install.sh and see that MacOS 11 prevents mtxrun to run properly, in the Finder you should find the file
context-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun
and then you press Control while clicking on it. You’ll see a pop up window, and you choose Open, and when the Finder tells you whether you really want to open that file, you say YES… After this, the install script does what it has to do and you don’t need anymore to authorize mtxrun to run.
Best regards: Otared
******************************* CHARLES DOHERTY 13 BANCROFT ROAD TALLAGHT DUBLIN D24 YH2V home: +353 1 2447483 Mobile: +353 863868629 charles.doherty@icloud.com
Hi Charles Firstly. I can take no credit for getting Context running on the new M1 Mac OS ARM. Hans and his team are the real heroes here. I just downloaded the zip file and off I went. I don't normally use TexShop, I use Texworks, but I have it set up on my machine. I cant remember how I setup the engine but I checked it out and it runs as expected. Here is the engine I use: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% #!/bin/bash export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/context/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin /Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% I did exactly as you did only I unzipped into /data/contextarm64. I did this because I have another directory into which I unzipped the intel version. It means I have two ConText options, intel and arm. The only other differences are my engine is a bash file and I don't remember making it executable. Hope this helps. I'm happy to help off list if you want. Best Wishes Keith On 23/04/2021 12:11, Charles Doherty wrote:
Hi all (especially Keith who successfully got Context running on the new M1 Mac OS ARM)
Again thanks to Mojca for providing the Mac OS ARM download. I recently replace my old Mac with the new ARM one.
I am having difficulty getting ConTeXt to work. This is what I have done and the information from the console.
I downloaded:
context-osx-arm64.zip
In terminal: cd /Users/charlesdoherty/context-osx-arm64
Ran sh install.sh
and all seems ok (following Keith’s advice on privacy).
I made an engine for TeXShop based on what worked before:
#!/bin/Zsh export PATH=$PATH:~/context-osx-arm64/bin:~/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin ~/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --directives="system.showerror" --autopdf "$1" --purgeall
I made it executable.
When I typeset a file in TeXShop using this engine I get:
/Users/charlesdoherty/Library/TeXShop/Engines/ARM.engine:3: bad CPU type in executable: /Users/charlesdoherty/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun
I have tried various options to no avail but I would really appreciate some help on this (longhand rather than cryptic would be really helpful).
Thanks, Charlie
On 11 Apr 2021, at 19:27, Keith McKay
mailto:mckaymeister@gmail.com> wrote: An alternative way is to go to Preferences>>Security and Privacy>>General. And then click on Open anyway and that's it sorted. Best Wishes Keith
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 18:47 Otared Kavian,
mailto:otared@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
Thank you Mojca and Hans for the new binary for MacOS ARM: yesterday I installed it on my new MacBook Pro ARM and everything works like a charm.
Just for the persons who run into difficulties when running sh install.sh and see that MacOS 11 prevents mtxrun to run properly, in the Finder you should find the file
context-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun
and then you press Control while clicking on it. You’ll see a pop up window, and you choose Open, and when the Finder tells you whether you really want to open that file, you say YES… After this, the install script does what it has to do and you don’t need anymore to authorize mtxrun to run.
Best regards: Otared
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Sorry. I put a typo in the engine file in my reply. It should be #!/bin/bash export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin /Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1" Best Wishes Keith On 23/04/2021 15:45, Keith McKay wrote:
Hi Charles
Firstly. I can take no credit for getting Context running on the new M1 Mac OS ARM. Hans and his team are the real heroes here. I just downloaded the zip file and off I went.
I don't normally use TexShop, I use Texworks, but I have it set up on my machine. I cant remember how I setup the engine but I checked it out and it runs as expected. Here is the engine I use:
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
#!/bin/bash
export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/context/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin
/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1"
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
I did exactly as you did only I unzipped into /data/contextarm64. I did this because I have another directory into which I unzipped the intel version. It means I have two ConText options, intel and arm. The only other differences are my engine is a bash file and I don't remember making it executable.
Hope this helps. I'm happy to help off list if you want.
Best Wishes
Keith
On 23/04/2021 12:11, Charles Doherty wrote:
Hi all (especially Keith who successfully got Context running on the new M1 Mac OS ARM)
Again thanks to Mojca for providing the Mac OS ARM download. I recently replace my old Mac with the new ARM one.
I am having difficulty getting ConTeXt to work. This is what I have done and the information from the console.
I downloaded:
context-osx-arm64.zip
In terminal: cd /Users/charlesdoherty/context-osx-arm64
Ran sh install.sh
and all seems ok (following Keith’s advice on privacy).
I made an engine for TeXShop based on what worked before:
#!/bin/Zsh export PATH=$PATH:~/context-osx-arm64/bin:~/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin ~/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --directives="system.showerror" --autopdf "$1" --purgeall
I made it executable.
When I typeset a file in TeXShop using this engine I get:
/Users/charlesdoherty/Library/TeXShop/Engines/ARM.engine:3: bad CPU type in executable: /Users/charlesdoherty/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun
I have tried various options to no avail but I would really appreciate some help on this (longhand rather than cryptic would be really helpful).
Thanks, Charlie
On 11 Apr 2021, at 19:27, Keith McKay
mailto:mckaymeister@gmail.com> wrote: An alternative way is to go to Preferences>>Security and Privacy>>General. And then click on Open anyway and that's it sorted. Best Wishes Keith
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 18:47 Otared Kavian,
mailto:otared@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
Thank you Mojca and Hans for the new binary for MacOS ARM: yesterday I installed it on my new MacBook Pro ARM and everything works like a charm.
Just for the persons who run into difficulties when running sh install.sh and see that MacOS 11 prevents mtxrun to run properly, in the Finder you should find the file
context-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun
and then you press Control while clicking on it. You’ll see a pop up window, and you choose Open, and when the Finder tells you whether you really want to open that file, you say YES… After this, the install script does what it has to do and you don’t need anymore to authorize mtxrun to run.
Best regards: Otared
******************************* CHARLES DOHERTY 13 BANCROFT ROAD TALLAGHT DUBLIN D24 YH2V home: +353 1 2447483 Mobile: +353 863868629 charles.doherty@icloud.com mailto:charles.doherty@icloud.com
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Dear Keith and Mojca, I followed the information provided buy Keith below and everything is working just fine. Mojca I directed my request to Keith in the first instance since I felt it was most likely my lack of knowledge of how to get things going that was the problem (as usual). So thank you for your quick response and offer to test. And thank you Keith for your example below it did the trick. Very best wishes, Charlie
On 23 Apr 2021, at 15:53, Keith McKay
wrote: Sorry. I put a typo in the engine file in my reply. It should be
#!/bin/bash
export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin
/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1"
Best Wishes
Keith
******************************* CHARLES DOHERTY 13 BANCROFT ROAD TALLAGHT DUBLIN D24 YH2V home: +353 1 2447483 Mobile: +353 863868629 charles.doherty@icloud.com
Great! I'm glad it worked OK!
Best Wishes
Keith
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021, 09:59 Charles Doherty,
Dear Keith and Mojca,
I followed the information provided buy Keith below and everything is working just fine. Mojca I directed my request to Keith in the first instance since I felt it was most likely my lack of knowledge of how to get things going that was the problem (as usual). So thank you for your quick response and offer to test. And thank you Keith for your example below it did the trick.
Very best wishes, Charlie
On 23 Apr 2021, at 15:53, Keith McKay
wrote: Sorry. I put a typo in the engine file in my reply. It should be
#!/bin/bash
export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin
/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1"
Best Wishes
Keith
******************************* CHARLES DOHERTY 13 BANCROFT ROAD TALLAGHT DUBLIN D24 YH2V home: +353 1 2447483 Mobile: +353 863868629 charles.doherty@icloud.com
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Hi, the first, clean install of MacOS ARM64bits I downloaded from https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installation Next I followed the thread below (exchanging texmf-osx-64/bin to texmf-osx-arm64/bin) and everything works like a charm (ConTeXt ver: 2022.01.21 20:13 LMTX) ! Today I wanted to update, using sh install.sh After that, running the same TeXShop engine as before gives an error: Users/steffen/Library/TeXShop/Engines/ConTeXt LMTX_ARM.engine: line 3: 19971 Killed: 9 /Users/steffen/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1" What did I do wrong? Steffen
Am 25.04.2021 um 18:52 schrieb Keith McKay
: Great! I'm glad it worked OK! Best Wishes Keith
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021, 09:59 Charles Doherty,
wrote: Dear Keith and Mojca, I followed the information provided buy Keith below and everything is working just fine. Mojca I directed my request to Keith in the first instance since I felt it was most likely my lack of knowledge of how to get things going that was the problem (as usual). So thank you for your quick response and offer to test. And thank you Keith for your example below it did the trick.
Very best wishes, Charlie
On 23 Apr 2021, at 15:53, Keith McKay
wrote: Sorry. I put a typo in the engine file in my reply. It should be
#!/bin/bash
export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin
/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1"
Best Wishes
Keith
******************************* CHARLES DOHERTY 13 BANCROFT ROAD TALLAGHT DUBLIN D24 YH2V home: +353 1 2447483 Mobile: +353 863868629 charles.doherty@icloud.com
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Hi Steffen I have TeXshop setup on my mac mini M1 but I rarely use it. I've just ran it on a file I have been working on and it runs OK. Here is my engine: %%%%%% #!/bin/bash export PATH=$PATH:/Users/pothole/data/contextmacosarm64/tex/texmf-osx-arm64/bin /Users/pothole/data/contextmacosarm64/tex/texmf-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --directives="system.error" --autopdf "$1" %%%% The only difference I can see is --directives="system.error" . Don't know if this helps. I'm running: system > ConTeXt ver: 2022.05.09 17:24 LMTX fmt: 2022.5.11 int: english/english Best Wishes Keith McKay On 29/05/2022 19:35, Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context wrote:
Hi,
the first, clean install of MacOS ARM64bits I downloaded fromhttps://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installation
Next I followed the thread below (exchanging texmf-osx-64/bin to texmf-osx-arm64/bin) and everything works like a charm (ConTeXt ver: 2022.01.21 20:13 LMTX) !
Today I wanted to update, using sh install.sh
After that, running the same TeXShop engine as before gives an error:
Users/steffen/Library/TeXShop/Engines/ConTeXt LMTX_ARM.engine: line 3: 19971 Killed: 9 /Users/steffen/context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-arm64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1"
What did I do wrong?
Steffen
Am 25.04.2021 um 18:52 schrieb Keith McKay
: Great! I'm glad it worked OK! Best Wishes Keith
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021, 09:59 Charles Doherty,
wrote: Dear Keith and Mojca, I followed the information provided buy Keith below and everything is working just fine. Mojca I directed my request to Keith in the first instance since I felt it was most likely my lack of knowledge of how to get things going that was the problem (as usual). So thank you for your quick response and offer to test. And thank you Keith for your example below it did the trick.
Very best wishes, Charlie
On 23 Apr 2021, at 15:53, Keith McKay
wrote: Sorry. I put a typo in the engine file in my reply. It should be
#!/bin/bash
export PATH=/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin
/Users/pothole/data/contextarm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf "$1"
Best Wishes
Keith
******************************* CHARLES DOHERTY 13 BANCROFT ROAD TALLAGHT DUBLIN D24 YH2V home: +353 1 2447483 Mobile: +353 863868629 charles.doherty@icloud.com
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Hi,
On 29 May 2022, at 22:15, Keith McKay via ntg-context
wrote: Hi Steffen
I have TeXshop setup on my mac mini M1 but I rarely use it.
I do not use TeXshop, but I did just upgrade to an M1 Mac, and I had some issues with intel binaries 'sticking around’. Perhaps this page helps (esp. point 3)? https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/tell-apps-optimized-for-m1-apple-silicon-ma... Best wishes, Taco — Taco Hoekwater E: taco@bittext.nl genderfluid (all pronouns)
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