[NTG-context] Critical Editions?

hanneder at staff.uni-marburg.de hanneder at staff.uni-marburg.de
Wed Jan 5 18:39:21 CET 2022

Dear Jean-Pierre,

I started preparing some examples, but first a quick question: Where  
can I find out the exact behaviour of a command option like aNote.

If you define a \cNote with \definelinenote[cNote][n=3] as in your  
example, then the input line

Cum defensionum \CNote{laboribus}{première note} senatoriisque

prints laboribus in the text and as the lemma! I cannot see where this is
defined (and explained).

----- Nachricht von Jean-Pierre Delange <adeimantos at free.fr> ---------
   Datum: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:29:20 +0100
     Von: Jean-Pierre Delange <adeimantos at free.fr>
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Critical Editions?
      An: ntg-context at ntg.nl
      Cc: hanneder at staff.uni-marburg.de

> Dear Jürgen,
> Would you mind to test the MWE sample I've given  
> (ConTeXt_Test_Footnote-ComplexMedieval.tex) whith a little bit more  
> information inside - in order to test furthermore ? You can change  
> the text, even the \dorecurse option, in order to see what simply  
> works and what does not for your purpose. There is a difficulty I've  
> tried to solve some years ago : when you get two parrallel texts  
> (for example an Ancient Greek text on odd page, and its translation  
> on the even page) the solution seem to be in 'stream' to get a side  
> by side text on different pages. If you try to do a two columns with  
> separate texts - greek and its translation in my example - on the  
> same page, it is working for the first page, but doesn't work for  
> the following pages, that's why the 'stream' option seems a better  
> way (see here :  
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Columns#Examples_of_MkIV_streams).
> Le 05/01/2022 à 12:52, hanneder--- via ntg-context a écrit :
>> Dear critical edition experts,
>> the examples given in ConTeXt_Test_Footnote-ComplexMedieval.pdf and  
>> the other posts are really
>> answering my questions. Everything seems to be already there and if  
>> there were a Wiki on critical
>> editions I would perhaps have not even asked. Thanks a lot! If  
>> anything else is planned by the
>> experts and you need input from a Sanskrit editor, please let me know.
>> As far as I see, no ConTeXt input format for critical editions is  
>> needed, but since the topic is
>> being discussed -
>>> I don’t see any future in developing a ConTeXt input format for  
>>> critical editions, for the following reasons:
>>> 1. Producing a print-only version (i.e. printed book) makes no  
>>> sense in 2022. This is not sustainable because
>>> no-one will be able to take your edition and continue to work on  
>>> it. You have to provide a digital edition as research data.
>>> 2. This digital edition has to be in a standard format that is  
>>> sustainable at least for some time so it can be processed with  
>>> various types of software. TEI xml has become the de facto standard.
>> I must disagree. There is no print only version any more, so the  
>> first question is: Is a pdf more
>> sustainable, or an online edition (based on html etc.)? Time will  
>> tell, I guess. The same applies
>> to TEI based online editions by the way. No larger texts have been  
>> edited by that method yet (in my
>> field), many projects are being worked on, but they tend not to be  
>> finished, when the project
>> ends. Some of the people actually working with both TeX and  
>> XML-based say that the latter
>> significantly slows down the collation process.
>> At least in Indology books and scans are still being used. Everyone  
>> is talking about online
>> editions, data repositories etc., but the reality as I experience  
>> it is not up to these
>> expectations. One of our great paleographical online tools was  
>> almost lost, since there is no institutional
>> funding for updating those systems. Even finding a host for an  
>> online edition can be (and is in our
>> case) a nightmare. In short, my solution is: printed version as in  
>> the last centuries, possibly
>> additional online edition with a shorter life span and online  
>> publication of research data. This
>> sounds great, but actually we are talking mainly about the  
>> collation file, that is, the TeX-input
>> file. Not a big deal, since now this can be turned into xml by  
>> ekdosis, and that's it. The mss
>> scans are prohibited from online publication by German copy right  
>> (no Indian institution will grant
>> any rights).
>> Let me emphasize that I am not at all against these new  
>> possibilities. I was part of an online
>> dictionary project (nws.uzi.uni-halle.de) that worked with TEI and  
>> everything else, but after the
>> threat to close down Indology in Halle (the location of the  
>> dictionary), I have to finance
>> occasional updates from our normal budget (the DFG had decreed that  
>> no further funding for this
>> project was possible) and after my retirement - I have no great  
>> hopes for a continuation of my
>> post - it might become quickly useless. As long as we have enough  
>> nerds who can and will do
>> the necessary work privately, we are safe.
>>> 3. ConTeXt is not stable enough to provide such a standard format:  
>>> it is in development; what you code today may not be compilable in  
>>> 2 (or 5 or 50) years.
>> Perhaps not, but I had much fun just checking out its possibilities  
>> and have started to use it as the default.
>>> 4. However, ConTeXt is wonderful for processing xml.
>>> Hence: keep the input source and the processing separate. Code in  
>>> TEI xml (or a subset of it) and develop a ConTeXt stylesheet to  
>>> process it.
>> I am used to TeX-code, and so I'd rather stick to that and let  
>> ekdosis do the conversion,
>> if necessary. But in publication practice in my field, most of this  
>> is just for private
>> entertainment. Almost all publishers still expect a Word file, so  
>> the tool of choice
>> is pandoc to downgrade from TeX to docx. Sorry to end on this  
>> depressing note.
>> Best
>> Jürgen
>> ---
>> Prof. Dr. Juergen Hanneder
>> Philipps-Universitaet Marburg
>> FG Indologie u. Tibetologie
>> Deutschhausstr.12
>> 35032 Marburg
>> Germany
>> Tel. 0049-6421-28-24930
>> hanneder at staff.uni-marburg.de
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----- Ende der Nachricht von Jean-Pierre Delange <adeimantos at free.fr> -----


Prof. Dr. Juergen Hanneder
Philipps-Universitaet Marburg
FG Indologie u. Tibetologie
35032 Marburg
Tel. 0049-6421-28-24930
hanneder at staff.uni-marburg.de

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