[NTG-context] Context modules not on CATN and not in TeX Live (slightly OT)

Hans Hagen pragma at wxs.nl
Mon Jan 26 16:15:15 CET 2015

On 1/26/2015 2:57 PM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
> Hi Mojca,
> Thank you for clarifying a few things.
> I have not seen any information how to contribute modules to ConTeXt or
> how they
> are passed  up the stream!
> A few caveats though!
> 1) Who „authorizes“ ConTeXt modules for CTAN ?
>          2) Do not CTAN and TeXLive have pretty much the same guidelines?
>          3) Who gets to decide what is really „Useful“ ?

1 : the ctan maintainers, but in general they accept everything that 
suits tex and friends (of course it will only accept legally correct items)

2 : i think that texlive has more strict rules with respect to licenses

3 : quality control is not part of the picture nor is maintainance or 
useability ... i suppose something can end up on ctan that is unuseable, 
broken and unmaintained ... it's user driven

- : for texlive it can make sense to also provide the right information 
for inclusion and installation and that is what the garden packager does 
(you cannot expect texlive maintainers to keep track of all that)

> I did not mean to say do not use TDS!  Besides, one can always install the
> „missing“ modules in the TeXLive tree, if they really want them!
> regards
> Keith.
>> Am 26.01.2015 um 14:03 schrieb Mojca Miklavec
>> <mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com <mailto:mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com>>:
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Keith Schultz wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> The simple answer to your question would be to use this page:
>>> http://www.ctan.org/upload/
>> No, in case of ConTeXt that's not correct. The idea would be to handle
>> everything automatically once the modules are uploaded to
>> modules.contextgarden.net <http://modules.contextgarden.net/>. Some
>> discrepancies are intentional, some
>> are "bugs" (read as: nobody noticed that a module was missing and/or
>> bothered requesting it).
>> I was offline for a while and will explain this later in detail. I
>> just wanted to make sure that nobody starts uploading cmscbf and alike
>> to CTAN.
>>> BUT, the MISSING modules or packages are so-called third party!
>>> It should be the responsibility of the AUTHORS, to upload the to CTAN!
>> No, that's not the case with ConTeXt modules. They are synced
>> automatically.
>>> Also, e.g cmscbf and cmttbf are no longer needed in mkiv! They are
>>> for use
>>> with
>>> mkii!
>>> Furthermore, you should concertrate on using ONLY MKIV! Especially,
>>> since your audience seem to be introductory.  MKII is frozen and IMHO
>>> outdated!
>> It's not so much outdated, but it's certainly frozen and certainly not
>> worth spending too much effort in it. (With an exception of occasional
>> support for XeTeX which is still an up-to-date engine.)
>>> I would suggest that you point them to the Standalone stable release,
>>> if you actually need the missing third party modules.
>> No, wait, let's try to clear things up first.
>> If modules should be on CTAN and aren't, I'll add them to CTAN. If
>> modules are on CTAN, but not in TeX Live, we should figure out why
>> they are excluded from TeX Live and either make sure that they are
>> either added to TeX Live (if there are no problems with licencing,
>> packaging etc.) or removed from CTAN (in case they are not really
>> useful). We could keep some modules on CTAN if they are useful, but
>> don't qualify for TL inclusion for some obscure reason.
>> "Don't use TeX Live" could be the proper advice for someone who wants
>> to use the latest version of ConTeXt, but one shouldn't confuse the
>> user just because a module is missing in TL by accident.
>> Mojca
> [snip, snip]
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