[NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics

Keith J. Schultz schultzk at uni-trier.de
Wed Feb 12 10:01:20 CET 2014


Hi Mikael,

Basically, I see your problem with ConTeXts handling of math as a matter of taste!
That is you want LaTeX syntax. 

It is easy enough to get the results you want.

The only place where I see a bug is that a single prime is set larger than multple
primes. 

regards
	Keith


Am 11.02.2014 um 14:18 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep at gmail.com>:

> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Keith J. Schultz <schultzk at uni-trier.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 11.02.2014 um 09:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep at gmail.com>:
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma at wxs.nl> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It
>> worked just fine.
>> 
>> At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but
>> research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt
>> and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt).
>> 
>> It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling
>> that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to
>> output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1]
>> l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with
>> source l.tex and c.tex for some examples.
>> 
>> In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from hackery solutions (for several reasons).
>> 
>> I agree it is good to avoid hackery as long as possible, and I for sure is ready to relearn how to write some things. With the examples I gave in the previous email in mind:
>> 
>> * How am I supposed to write first derivative (f') and second derivative (f'') in such a way that they have the same type of prime (the prime in the first derivative is the one I prefer)?
> 
> 	No sure if to call this a bug! It seems that a single prime is always larger than multiple ones!
> 	You can always change its size!
> 
> I think the user should not have to change its size. All primes should have the same size, independent if they are one or several.
>  
> 
>> * How am I supposed to write f_xx'' to get the output as in the LaTeX example (i.e. so that the primes are over the xx)?
> 	
> have to switch things around: f''_xx or f''_{xx}  depending on the actual result you want.
> 
> I know about the grouping. Please have a look at my example files in my earlier post in this thread.
>  
>  
>> * Could the default placement of limits in integrals be changed (integral=nolimits)? This is how it is done in almost all math books).
> 	
> Not sure what you want here! example? can be LateX
> 
> As above, I gave examples...
> 
> Best regards, Mikael
>  
> 
>> * What about the size and finetuning of placement of indices in integrals and sums (and probably products, unions, ...)?
>> * I remember I suggested that \| should be double bars in a previous thread on this list. Is there any drawback in giving double bars for \|? Of course I can relearn and use \lVert and \rVert, but I have a feeling that if we want people moving from LaTeX to ConTeXt, then this is the kind of things that should just work as expected...
>> 
>> Best regards, Mikael
> 
> regards
> 	Keith
> 
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