[NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics

Keith J. Schultz schultzk at uni-trier.de
Tue Feb 11 11:33:56 CET 2014

Am 11.02.2014 um 09:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep at gmail.com>:

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma at wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
> Hi,
> I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It
> worked just fine.
> At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but
> research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt
> and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt).
> It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling
> that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to
> output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1]
> l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with
> source l.tex and c.tex for some examples.
> In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from hackery solutions (for several reasons).
> I agree it is good to avoid hackery as long as possible, and I for sure is ready to relearn how to write some things. With the examples I gave in the previous email in mind:
> * How am I supposed to write first derivative (f') and second derivative (f'') in such a way that they have the same type of prime (the prime in the first derivative is the one I prefer)?
	No sure if to call this a bug! It seems that a single prime is always larger than multiple ones!
	You can always change its size!

> * How am I supposed to write f_xx'' to get the output as in the LaTeX example (i.e. so that the primes are over the xx)?
	have to switch things around: f''_xx or f''_{xx}  depending on the actual result you want.
> * Could the default placement of limits in integrals be changed (integral=nolimits)? This is how it is done in almost all math books).
	Not sure what you want here! example? can be LateX
> * What about the size and finetuning of placement of indices in integrals and sums (and probably products, unions, ...)?
> * I remember I suggested that \| should be double bars in a previous thread on this list. Is there any drawback in giving double bars for \|? Of course I can relearn and use \lVert and \rVert, but I have a feeling that if we want people moving from LaTeX to ConTeXt, then this is the kind of things that should just work as expected...
> Best regards, Mikael

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