[Dev-luatex] Modifying the LuaTeX Engine
وفا خلیقی، Vafa Khalighi
vafa at live.com.au
Fri Dec 26 03:53:00 CET 2008
> I'm just curious: Did Yazdipur try to communicate with the Omega
> developers and offer patches etc?
do not think so, It seems that he has got no interest in the Unicode
world and he is a big fan of Knuth's TeX engine only and does not want
to write codes for PDFTeX, XeTeX and LuaTeX.
> Another question: TeX-e-Parsi was originally closed source, I think: What
> is the status of the source code?
Yes, it was closed but it has been open source since a few years back.
> Have you tested the bidi in luatex and compared it with that of
> TeX-e-Parsi? It is already much better than etex's.
Yes, I did and I still think TeX-e-Parsi's bidirectional algorithm is more powerful than LuaTeX's.
> According to Behdad Esfahbod and Roozbeh Pournader,
> TeX-e-Parsi has not been developed since 1996. I know that there has been
> development of Omega since then, including a new bidi model -- with new
> primitives -- that replaced the one in pre-1996 Omega. Looking at the
> primitive list you provided, I don't think TeX-e-Parsi builds on the
> later, improved Omega model.
Behdad's paper was written in 2002 and in that time TeX-e-Parsi was a
commercial software and so I think Behdad would have the chance to
look at the source code and he just said something which was not really
true. If you look at the biginning of tex.ch, in the version section,
we have "% Version 3.019 reorganizing \pTeX changes (1384/12/26)".
1384 is the year of latest development, if you add 621 to 1384 (1384 is
the Iranian year), you will get 2005. In fact it is the end of 205 and
we can say 2006. So as you can see TeX-e-Parsi's latest development
happened recently. As I said Yazdipour has faith only in Donald Knuth
and his work and no interest in other TeX engines, that is what I have
heard. Donald Knuth himself congratulated him for writing the
> 1. Make an exhaustive test suite that compares bidi behavior in luatex
> with that of TeX-e-Parsi. You don't need to use any arabic-script, just
> latin modern samples;
absolutely agree. But Let's have a test file. I write that test file
with TeX-e-Parsi and you write the test file with LuaTeX and then we
compare the results. If you can send a sample/test file so then I can
typeset in with TeX-e-Parsi.
> 2. Identify the diffferences between the two and determine which -- if
> either -- has the saner behavior for each case;
It might turns out that TeX-e-Parsi is powerful in some areas and
LuaTeX in other areas. So we just can look at the powerful areas of
> 3. Make specific feature/debugging requests and -- if possible -- point to
> areas where TeX-e-Parsi code may be useful in implementing the features
> you want.
> As I mentioned above, I think the last Omega primitives are newer than
> TeX-e-Parsi's. But a related issue: Are those primitives based on the
> unicode bidi algorithm? There is also an ongoing implementation of the
> algorithm in the MKIV inteface to luatex. Again, the best thing may be to
> identify missing features and bugs, then the developers can identify the
> best approach to implementing/fixing things. That may or may not involve
> using TeX-e-Parsi code.
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