Re: [NTG-pdftex] images in formats

David Kastrup wrote:

Hans Hagen writes:

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Hans Hagen wrote:

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dumping an image in pdf mode is rather difficult to get right. If in dvi mode an image is "stored" by a reference to an external file, then I am afraid the speed gain is not that much. There is for sure some comfort by having a dumped file reference in the format, but again that can be also achieved for pdf mode using some macros IMHO. to me it looks like a rather useless option to include an image in a

Thanh Han The wrote: format, just as we don't embed type 1 fonts in the format either so let's not waste energy on it You know that you just said "To me it looks like a rather useless option to include an image in a \savebox in the LaTeX preamble", or "To me it looks like a rather useless option to support preview-latex in PDF mode even for people who use \savebox with images in their preamble"? no, i was talking about a 'format' i.e. a \dump'd thing, i have no clue what \savebox does, and it may do image trickery as much as it

Frank Küster wrote: likes but in the end the image will not be in the format file

Nor will it be in any output generated by iniTeX. Do you think we should turn off PDF/DVI generation completely in iniTeX? Prohibit people from generating visible output with it? If not, then it is hard to explain why images should be treated differently from other material.

again, i'm not talking of initex, but about what can end up in a FORMAT FILE and pdfimage data is not something to put in the format; initex can of course include images in a produced pdf file; i never denied that neiter did i say that initex shoul dnot produce dvi/pdf output

I find it annoying how legitimate concerns and existing _standard_ use cases and packages are simply brushed aside or ignored. While there may be priorities that make it necessary to postpone a proper implementation, it is not because people putting forward their concerns and presenting their use cases are idiots or weirdos that can safely be ignored.

again, we're talking of pdf data ending up in formats as a result of a ref to an xform, not about macro packages; instead of embedding the graphic one could use a reference to an external file (using an media related annotation) but that's something at the macro level and not pdftex internals Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------