On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug (at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its tail (ca. 3kB). I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a message, that the list was moderated. Could someone care about this, please? I never used PPCHTeX... Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug (at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its tail (ca. 3kB).
I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a message, that the list was moderated.
what tail? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Am 14.09.2004 um 11:17 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug (at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its tail (ca. 3kB). I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a message, that the list was moderated. what tail?
Sorry, I don't like to moderate between TeX-D-L and here (and will be off from tomorrow to end of September)... CC to Thomas Meyer: Please care for yourself now. Thomas Meyer wrote, some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work, the error message was: "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence" He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should mark it red in the wiki...) His file ppchtex.tex ends like: \def\cpos#1#2% {\iftrialtypesetting #2% \else \bgroup \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical <--------3390 \gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}% #2% \egroup \fi} \fi \protect \endinput Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex version from TeX Live 2003, there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely "\fi", but the file is 3kB bigger, but both show the same date of 1997-03-19 (I guess this date is only the creation date and not altered at changes, isn't it?) With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas. Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work again. I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above. Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported by PPCHTeX. Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
Am Di, den 14.09.2004 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm um 14:44:
some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work
Dear readers, the code in question was the following: -------------------------- \documentclass{article} \usepackage{etex} %\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot} \usepackage{m-pictex,color} \usepackage{m-ch-de} \begin{document} % C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}% \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie % C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]% {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}% \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie -----------------------
, the error message was: "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence" He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should mark it red in the wiki...) His file ppchtex.tex ends like:
\def\cpos#1#2% {\iftrialtypesetting #2% \else \bgroup \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical <--------3390
\gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}% #2% \egroup \fi}
\fi \protect \endinput
Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex version from TeX Live 2003, there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely "\fi", but the file is 3kB bigger,
With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas. Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work again.
I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported by PPCHTeX.
Perhaps this helps to solve this problem with PPCHTeX. Yours sincerely Tobias Hilbricht
Hello, I am new here in this list and I am the one who has the problems with ppchtex. At first I have to thank Hraban and Tobias for their committed help! Under LaTeX I tried the downloaded version of ppchtex.tex from pragma-ade.nl. I got only the lines for the bonds between the atoms, no letters for the atomic symbols. And I got the error message Tobias and Hraban reported. Tobias' version of ppchtex.tex works fine! The downloaded version works fine only under ConTeXt not under LaTeX. Is there a bug? Or am I to stupid? Another question: Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never found something in the manual about it. Greetings Thomas -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im Auftrag von Tobias Hilbricht Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 11:42 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug? Am Di, den 14.09.2004 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm um 14:44:
some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work
Dear readers, the code in question was the following: -------------------------- \documentclass{article} \usepackage{etex} %\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot} \usepackage{m-pictex,color} \usepackage{m-ch-de} \begin{document} % C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}% \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie % C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]% {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}% \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie -----------------------
, the error message was: "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence" He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should mark it red in the wiki...) His file ppchtex.tex ends like:
\def\cpos#1#2% {\iftrialtypesetting #2% \else \bgroup \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical <--------3390
\gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}% #2% \egroup \fi}
\fi \protect \endinput
Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex version from TeX Live 2003, there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely "\fi", but the file is 3kB bigger,
With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas. Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work again.
I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported by PPCHTeX.
Perhaps this helps to solve this problem with PPCHTeX. Yours sincerely Tobias Hilbricht _______________________________________________ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Hi to all, One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems! What's going wrong! Thomas -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im Auftrag von Thomas Meyer Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2004 12:05 An: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' Betreff: AW: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug? Hello, I am new here in this list and I am the one who has the problems with ppchtex. At first I have to thank Hraban and Tobias for their committed help! Under LaTeX I tried the downloaded version of ppchtex.tex from pragma-ade.nl. I got only the lines for the bonds between the atoms, no letters for the atomic symbols. And I got the error message Tobias and Hraban reported. Tobias' version of ppchtex.tex works fine! The downloaded version works fine only under ConTeXt not under LaTeX. Is there a bug? Or am I to stupid? Another question: Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never found something in the manual about it. Greetings Thomas -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im Auftrag von Tobias Hilbricht Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 11:42 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug? Am Di, den 14.09.2004 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm um 14:44:
some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work
Dear readers, the code in question was the following: -------------------------- \documentclass{article} \usepackage{etex} %\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot} \usepackage{m-pictex,color} \usepackage{m-ch-de} \begin{document} % C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}% \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie % C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]% {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}% \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie -----------------------
, the error message was: "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence" He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should mark it red in the wiki...) His file ppchtex.tex ends like:
\def\cpos#1#2% {\iftrialtypesetting #2% \else \bgroup \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical <--------3390
\gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}% #2% \egroup \fi}
\fi \protect \endinput
Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex version from TeX Live 2003, there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely "\fi", but the file is 3kB bigger,
With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas. Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work again.
I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported by PPCHTeX.
Perhaps this helps to solve this problem with PPCHTeX. Yours sincerely Tobias Hilbricht _______________________________________________ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context _______________________________________________ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Hi Thomas, I believe your problem is that ppchtex is a very specialistic package and there are not that many people using it to it's full capacity. As a result of that, there isn't that much expert knowledge available. Personally, I don't understand any of it. Luckily, the only chemical stuff I have ever had to typeset could be done by cut&paste and making trivial changes to the examples in the manual. Greetings, Taco On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:47:18 +0200, Thomas wrote:
Hi to all,
One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems! What's going wrong!
-- groeten, Taco
In my opinion - it's not only its complexity preventing the users from using it, but also it's insufficient flexibility. As long as I understood the manual (and tried to draw some formulas), it is possible to create a certain subset of images, which covers the most needs, but certainly not all of them (there's no way to make such a trivial thing as a thetraedral or trigonal angle - 109.5 and 120 degrees). see: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-ppchtex/2002/000002.html Even the ones with lots of experience gave up. Perhaps chemistry is too complex to be applied easily without some help of graphical tools. SMILES (http://www.daylight.com/dayhtml/smiles/ssmiles.html) could be a solution, say \startSSMILES CC(=O)O \stopSSMILES producing a nice picture of acetic acid (using metafun), but perhaps still not serving all the puposes a chemist needs. Mojca Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I believe your problem is that ppchtex is a very specialistic package and there are not that many people using it to it's full capacity. As a result of that, there isn't that much expert knowledge available. Personally, I don't understand any of it. Luckily, the only chemical stuff I have ever had to typeset could be done by cut&paste and making trivial changes to the examples in the manual.
Greetings, Taco
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:47:18 +0200, Thomas wrote:
Hi to all,
One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems! What's going wrong!
Am Mi, den 29.09.2004 schrieb Mojca Miklavec um 00:40:
(there's no way to make such a trivial thing as a thetraedral or trigonal angle - 109.5 and 120 degrees).
Well, it is possible by "abusing" the basal structures ONE and SIX. As an example for a 120 degree angle using SIX see the sample some messages before in this thread. However, you are right, there are things which are not present, such as certain bonds etc. Yours sincerely Tobias Hilbricht
Hi, although I am a chemist, I must admit that I have never seriously tried to typeset chemical formulas using some tex package instead of ChemDraw or other external program, and thus, I can't help you. As Taco has said, probably few, if any, users know enough to help you and you might be on your own. Greetings, Eckhart
Hello, Thomas Meyer wrote:
One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems! What's going wrong!
As Taco already pointed out: There are not that many PPCHTeX users.
The downloaded version works fine only under ConTeXt not under LaTeX. Is there a bug? Or am I to stupid?
It should work under both systems. At least with my teTeX system (with updated ConTeXt) it works under LaTeX.
Another question: Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never found something in the manual about it.
Probably not. Hans, how about implementing those?
the code in question was the following: --------------------------
\startchemical | \startchemie is missing:
% C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}% \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,% MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}] \stopchemie
I attached a LaTeX version which works here. Tobias
Thanks to all who answered me! Special thanks to Tobias. I will use ochem or something like that under LaTeX because I need seven-membered rings. Or is it possible to use ochem under ConTeXt? Greetings Thomas
Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never found something in the manual about it.
Probably not. Hans, how about implementing those?
No answer from Hans!
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