On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Thomas Floeren wrote:

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Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are completely ignored. MKII is fine.

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes, Taco

It works perfectly now with lua 40.6! Thanks

Thomas Floeren wrote:

Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.

In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be?

Not a clue, sorry.

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:

Thomas Floeren schrieb:

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Taco Hoekwater mailto:taco@elvenkind.com scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:

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Thomas Floeren wrote:

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Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are completely ignored. MKII is fine.

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes, Taco

Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.

In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be? Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?

Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) luatex.web >= v13958 MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...

...

Maybe I should pose my question differently: Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as intended?

(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still) restricted to MS-XP. So this problem is of uttermost importance for me. I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon, there are still people out there dependent on those OSs) Here’s the minimal again: \de \hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren} \starttext \hyphenatedword{manövrieren} \stoptext Thanks again for any help or hint Tom

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Any help is appreciated Thanks

Thomas

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Hi Thomas, after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to "2" I was able to hyphenate your word after the Duden rules ma-nö-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be a syllable. Greetings Lutz see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren 2009/7/8

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:

Thomas Floeren schrieb:

Taco Hoekwater mailto:taco@elvenkind.com scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:

Thomas Floeren wrote:

Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are completely ignored. MKII is fine.

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes, Taco

Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.

In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be? Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?

Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) luatex.web >= v13958 MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...

Maybe I should pose my question differently:

Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as intended?

(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still) restricted to MS-XP. So this problem is of uttermost importance for me. I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon, there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)

Here’s the minimal again:

\de \hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren} \starttext \hyphenatedword{manövrieren} \stoptext

Thanks again for any help or hint Tom

Any help is appreciated Thanks

Thomas

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Hi Thomas, You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored. Greetings Lutz 2009/7/9 Thomas Floeren

Hi Lutz,

Thanks for your answer. According to my (reformed) Duden both manöv-rieren and manö-vrieren are correct (in prereform orthography manöv-rieren was not allowed); see also ei-nan-der|ein-an-der, in-te-res-sant|in-ter-es-sant etc.

But this is not the problem. You can try any other arbitrary example:

\de \hyphenation{fräs-schleu-der schmutz-be-häl-ter-was-ser-stands-alarm} \starttext \hyphenatedword{Frässchleuder} \hyphenatedword{Schmutzbehälterwasserstandsalarm} \stoptext

Greetings Thomas

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From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Lutz Haseloff Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:55 AM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

Hi Thomas,

after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to "2" I was able to hyphenate your word after the Duden rules ma-nö-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be a syllable.

Greetings Lutz

see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren

2009/7/8

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:

Thomas Floeren schrieb:

Taco Hoekwater mailto:taco@elvenkind.com mailto:taco@elvenkind.com scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:

Thomas Floeren wrote:

Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are completely ignored. MKII is fine.

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes, Taco

Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.

In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be? Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?

Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) luatex.web >= v13958 MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...

Maybe I should pose my question differently: Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as intended?

(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still) restricted to MS-XP. So this problem is of uttermost importance for me. I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon, there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)

Here’s the minimal again:

\de \hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren} \starttext \hyphenatedword{manövrieren} \stoptext

Thanks again for any help or hint Tom

Any help is appreciated Thanks

Thomas

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Taco Hoekwater mailto:taco@elvenkind.com scribbled on Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:40 AM:

Lutz Haseloff wrote:

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Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.

Hi guys,

Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the supelec.fr package, here:

http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

There might be a difference.

Best wishes, Taco

From here http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/luatex/mswin/bin/ or there ftp://akagi.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp/pub/TeX/win32/. These are DLLs.

Some time ago I tried a lua exe from your link but couldn’t get it to work. I will try it again. Thanks Thomas

Lutz Haseloff schrieb:

I use the binaries from http://www.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp/kakuto/win32-ptex/web2c75-e.html. same here (size matters) :)

(This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.41.0-2009070721 (Web2C 2009))

2009/7/9 Taco Hoekwater mailto:taco@elvenkind.com>

Lutz Haseloff wrote:

Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.

Hi guys,

Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the supelec.fr http://supelec.fr package, here:

http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

There might be a difference.

Best wishes, Taco

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Thomas Floeren wrote:

Hi,

Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.

luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate gives "LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for mtxrun --selfupdate. context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'".

I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions of luatex work).

Any hint?

I have no idea, and I am not using windows myself either, sorry. I understand this is a serious problem, but if it works ok on Vista, then I am even more baffled than you are if it doesn't work on XP. Best wishes, Taco

On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:32, Thomas Floeren wrote:

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Taco Hoekwater mailto:taco@elvenkind.com scribbled on Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:40 AM:

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Lutz Haseloff wrote:

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Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.

Hi guys,

Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the supelec.fr package, here:

http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

There might be a difference.

Best wishes, Taco

Hi,

Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.

luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate gives "LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for mtxrun --selfupdate. context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'".

I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions of luatex work).

Any hint?

Maybe you need the latest ConTeXt to be able to use the latest luatex?

The latest I find is the 2009-06-14 21:04 (from http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-2.htm) ; is this correct or am I missing something?

1.) you can fetch luatex from w32tex 2.) you might have to use --context=experimental without generating formats, then manually overwritting luatex binary and finally repeating all the steps to build the formats

But there's no guarantee (maybe try that in a separate copy of minimals).

Mojca

Thanks a lot Thomas