Oh, but I’m still on ConTeXt ver: 2021.10.24 21:45 I’ll need to check after an update. Denis Von: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 17:47 An: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey Betreff: AW: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes Same here, but I get correct results with the –luatex flag Denis Von: ntg-context mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 16:22 An: ntg-context@ntg.nlmailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr> Betreff: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes Dear list, When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ? \starttext John's \stoptext gives where I used to get Here is my log file resolvers | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': /Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex --jobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --fmt=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt --lua=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:input="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin" system > system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english system > system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded open source > level 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55 MB, ctx: 53 MB, max: 53 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ) mkiv lua stats > runtime: 0.500 seconds, 1 processed pages, 1 shipped pages, 1.998 pages/second resolvers | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': /Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex --jobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --fmt=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt --lua=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui --c:currentrun=2 --c:fulljobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:input="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:kindofrun=2 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin" system > system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english system > system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded open source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl' system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv close source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl' system > files > jobname './mfe-quote', input './mfe-quote.tex', result './mfe-quote' fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded languages > language 'en' is active open source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex' fonts > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage) fonts > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded backend > xmp > using file '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml' pages > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1 close source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex' mkiv lua stats > used config file: selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua mkiv lua stats > used cache path: /Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e mkiv lua stats > resource resolver: loadtime 0.014 seconds, 0 scans with scantime 0.000 seconds, 0 shared scans, 9 found files, scanned paths: <none> mkiv lua stats > stored bytecode data: 499 modules (0.245 sec), 99 tables (0.014 sec), 598 chunks (0.259 sec) mkiv lua stats > traced context: maxstack: 1607, freed: 0, unreachable: 1607 mkiv lua stats > cleaned up reserved nodes: 71 nodes, 9 lists of 435 mkiv lua stats > node memory usage: 6 attribute, 3 attribute_list, 1 glue, 58 glue_spec, 3 kern, 2 penalty, 2 temp mkiv lua stats > node list callback tasks: 12 unique task lists, 7 instances (re)created, 45 calls mkiv lua stats > used backend: pdf mkiv lua stats > jobdata time: 0.001 seconds saving, 0.002 seconds loading mkiv lua stats > callbacks: file: 57, saved: 146, direct: 2, function: 973, value: 1, message: 0, bytecode: 598, late 0, total: 1777 (1777 per page) mkiv lua stats > randomizer: resumed with value 0.051172108195605 mkiv lua stats > loaded patterns: en::1, load time: 0.000 mkiv lua stats > loaded fonts: 2 files: latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman12-regular.otf mkiv lua stats > font engine: otf 3.119, afm 1.513, tfm 1.000, 7 instances, 3 shared in backend, 3 common vectors, 0 common hashes, load time 0.146 seconds mkiv lua stats > font embedding time: 0.002 seconds, 1 fonts mkiv lua stats > result saved in file: mfe-quote.pdf, compresslevel 1, objectcompresslevel 3 mkiv lua stats > positions: 4 collected, 0 deltas, 0 shared partials, 0 partial entries mkiv lua stats > used platform: osx-64, type: unix, binary subtree: texmf-osx-64 mkiv lua stats > used engine: luametatex version: 2.093, functionality level: 20211117, format id: 603, compiler: clang mkiv lua stats > tex properties: 740046 hash slots used of 2097152, 46673 control sequences, approximate memory usage: 29 MB mkiv lua stats > lua properties: engine: lua 5.4, used memory: 55 MB, ctx: 53 MB, max: 53 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ) mkiv lua stats > runtime: 0.494 seconds, 1 processed pages, 1 shipped pages, 2.025 pages/second system | total runtime: 1.036 seconds of 1.096 seconds -- Jean-Philippe Rey jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.frmailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr 91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nlmailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________

Thanks. What does trep stand for? Denis

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 18:00 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context Cc: Wolfgang Schuster Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes

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Dear list,

When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is

Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21: there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?

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\starttext John's \stoptext

The option is no longer part of the default feature set. To enable the feature add "trep=yes" to the default features.

\definefontfeature [default] [default] [trep=yes]

\starttext John's \stoptext

Wolfgang

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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:

Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:

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Dear list,

When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?

\starttext John's \stoptext

The option is no longer part of the default feature set.

Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a 'sensible-defaults' module :-) Aditya

On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:

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Dear list,

When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is

Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21: there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?

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\starttext John's \stoptext

The option is no longer part of the default feature set.

Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a 'sensible-defaults' module :-) we entered the unicode world and left ascii space so for instance the ugly enter `` '' and expect english double quotes is also a not-done now, nor are !` and ?` for the spacing rotated ! and ?; i can't find the font right now but

On 11/27/2021 6:40 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote: there were with interesting space-something ligatures that only didn't show up because tex has no space.

I am okay with removing all these vestiges of TeX. But, I still think that the following should work okay: Let's try blah blah ... I could have entered it as Let’s try blah blah .. but it is not that natural to me.

now, there are more tex traditions that context doesn't support; take this plain definition (there are many) dedicated to math users:

I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for removing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the sentence above (in “don't”)!

Anyway, it's easier to enabel a feature that to disable one when side effects of font handling kicks in happen.

I agree. Maybe I'll just add a imap in vim to map ' to ’ and forget about it.... Aditya

Am 28.11.21 um 11:32 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

On 11/27/2021 9:48 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:

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I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for removing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the sentence above (in “don't”)! english quotes have hyjacked dutch quotes so long ago i already gave up on caring too much ...

It’s not English vs. Dutch (or any other language) but keyboard layout limitations from the typewriter era vs. typography. " and ' are wrong in English, too. Hraban the Typesetter

Am 27.11.21 um 18:40 schrieb Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context:

On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:

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The option is no longer part of the default feature set.

Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a 'sensible-defaults' module :-)

Nothing against such a module, but I think it’s wrong to expect automatical text replacements. If I type ' or " or -- I don’t want that replaced, even if it may be traditional TeX behavior. Is it too much to remember a few shortkeys for typographical glyphs? Hraban