Re: [NTG-context] natural table oddities
I would be happy about some answers/comments. Hraban Am 13.03.23 um 23:26 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
Working on the documentation for “natural tables” in my book I stumbled upon a few oddities/problems:
## Addressing cells:
* There’s \setupTABLE[header], but not "footer" (or "section"); since we have TABLEhead and TABLEfoot, IMO "head" and "foot" would make sense.
* Row 1 is the first row of TABLEbody. I couldn’t find how to address the first line of TABLEbody.
* If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. I couldn’t find how to format columns in header.
* I don’t understand the addressing options "start" and "one".
## Formatting
* maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table nor on a column. * textwidth works only for the whole table. * width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. I can’t fix the width of single cells or columns.
## Page breaking
* What’s the difference between split=repeat and header=repeat ?
I’d like to know if there are misunderstandings / if the behavior is intentional.
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On 27 Mar 2023, at 15:03, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
wrote: I would be happy about some answers/comments. Hraban
Am 13.03.23 um 23:26 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
Working on the documentation for “natural tables” in my book I stumbled upon a few oddities/problems: ## Addressing cells: * There’s \setupTABLE[header], but not "footer" (or "section"); since we have TABLEhead and TABLEfoot, IMO "head" and "foot" would make sense.
I'd be happy with that, especially as there is already headstyle and headcolor.
* Row 1 is the first row of TABLEbody. I couldn’t find how to address the first line of TABLEbody. * If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. I couldn’t find how to format columns in header.
If you disregard the Wiki page instructions to use \bTH...\eTH then you can format the header using: \bTABLEhead \bTR \bTH Column 1 \eTH \bTD[color=blue] Column 2 \eTD \eTR \eTABLEhead but I'm not sure what the consequences might be, if any. You lose the default bold heading so maybe that's all /bTH.../eTH is adding? It would be nice to have a way of specifying the header explicitly. My suggestion would be to have: - \setupTABLE[r][head][...] affect just the header - \setupTABLE[r][next][...] affect the new page header - \setupTABLE[r][first|last|body][...] affect the first, or last, or only the body rows (i.e. not the header or footer) - \setupTABLE[r][foot][...] affect just the footer [r][last] (and [r][-1]) would represent the last body row (but not the footer row if one has been requested). Extending to the formatting of header/footer/next etc columns is not quite so neat as an extra parameter is required, e.g. [c][<n>][head][...] to reference column n in the header. For consistency the syntax [c][<n>][body][...] could be an option.
* I don’t understand the addressing options "start" and "one".
Me neither. :)
## Formatting * maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table nor on a column. * textwidth works only for the whole table. * width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. I can’t fix the width of single cells or columns.
For me, \setupTABLE [c] [1] [width=3cm] fixes the width of column 1 and forces long text to wrap. I'm not sure what your \textwidth comment relates to because \setupTABLE [c] [1] [width=.2\textwidth] works as expected for me.
## Page breaking * What’s the difference between split=repeat and header=repeat ?
\setupTABLE [split=repeat] % works as expected for me \setupTABLE [header=repeat] % doesn't work for me
I’d like to know if there are misunderstandings / if the behavior is intentional.
— Bruce Horrocks Hampshire, UK
[This mail sat in my drafts folder for days; wanted to research more first, well…] Am 28.03.23 um 02:19 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
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I can’t make the changes myself, only suggest them to Hans.
On 27 Mar 2023, at 15:03, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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* If I format a column, e.g. \setupTABLE[c][-1][color=red], body and foot are formatted, but not the same column in header. I couldn’t find how to format columns in header.
If you disregard the Wiki page instructions to use \bTH...\eTH then you can format the header using: \bTD ... \eTD
but I'm not sure what the consequences might be, if any. You lose the default bold heading so maybe that's all /bTH.../eTH is adding?
Yes, I also found that out – either I sent an incomplete email, or I forgot to add my later “research”. 🤔 TH (table header, not Taco or Tomáš 😉) adds a separation between header and body cells, but setting up "header" affects both TD and TH within TABLEhead.
It would be nice to have a way of specifying the header explicitly. My suggestion would be to have: - \setupTABLE[r][head][...] affect just the header - \setupTABLE[r][next][...] affect the new page header - \setupTABLE[r][first|last|body][...] affect the first, or last, or only the body rows (i.e. not the header or footer) - \setupTABLE[r][foot][...] affect just the footer
[r][last] (and [r][-1]) would represent the last body row (but not the footer row if one has been requested).
I agree.
## Formatting * maxwidth doesn’t seem to have an effect, neither on the whole table nor on a column. * textwidth works only for the whole table. * width gets stretched if option=stretch; i.e. I can’t fix the width of single cells or columns.
For me, \setupTABLE [c] [1] [width=3cm] fixes the width of column 1 and forces long text to wrap.
But the width of a column is not fixed if you set option=stretch, then *all* columns are stretched, not only the undefined. Hraban
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