Insufficient symbol fonts error
I am getting some puzzling errors when I try to use the Greek fonts
in math formulae (to represent Greek numerals as written in mss.)
In a short file, both
\overbar{\grk{kj}} and
$\overline{\hbox{\grk{kj}}}$
work as expected, even when they occur in Greek text.
But in a long, complicated file with lots of Greek etc. and the same
environment file, I get
! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts.
\stopmathmode ->$
\dodounderbar ...nderbar {-\dimen 0}{\dimen 2}{#1}
\egroup
\processisolatedwords ...dwordsfalse #2{\unhbox 0}
\else
\isolatedwordstrue \...
\redounderbar ...sisolatedwords {#2}\dodounderbar
\egroup
l.1 ...-n'o\-menoc
Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
I am getting some puzzling errors when I try to use the Greek fonts in math formulae (to represent Greek numerals as written in mss.)
In a short file, both \overbar{\grk{kj}} and $\overline{\hbox{\grk{kj}}}$ work as expected, even when they occur in Greek text.
But in a long, complicated file with lots of Greek etc. and the same environment file, I get
! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts.
Are you using the amsl or nath modules? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Giuseppe— I am not using either the amsl or the nath modules. Never had to before. (The file has compiled successfully in its current form, but that was about a week ago.) If I should be using one of these modules, which do you recommend? Alan On Oct 30, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
I am getting some puzzling errors when I try to use the Greek fonts in math formulae (to represent Greek numerals as written in mss.)
In a short file, both \overbar{\grk{kj}} and $\overline{\hbox{\grk{kj}}}$ work as expected, even when they occur in Greek text.
But in a long, complicated file with lots of Greek etc. and the same environment file, I get
! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts.
Are you using the amsl or nath modules?
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe
I am not using either the amsl or the nath modules. Never had to before. (The file has compiled successfully in its current form, but that was about a week ago.)
If I should be using one of these modules, which do you recommend?
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you should use these modules :) On the contrary, I just recently found a bug in them that gave an error similar to the one you found, when using point sizes over 12. Since I knew the fix for that I was hoping it was your problem, but sadly it isn't. -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Giuseppe— I inserted \usemodule[t-amsl] into the preamble and got the same error message: ! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts. But, when I inserted \usemodule[t-nath] the error message was !TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000] which seems much more promising. Assuming that increasing the input stack is possible and desirable, how do I do it? Best, Alan On Oct 30, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
I am getting some puzzling errors when I try to use the Greek fonts in math formulae (to represent Greek numerals as written in mss.)
In a short file, both \overbar{\grk{kj}} and $\overline{\hbox{\grk{kj}}}$ work as expected, even when they occur in Greek text.
But in a long, complicated file with lots of Greek etc. and the same environment file, I get
! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts.
Are you using the amsl or nath modules?
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe
I inserted \usemodule[t-amsl] into the preamble and got the same error message: ! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts.
But, when I inserted \usemodule[t-nath] the error message was !TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000] which seems much more promising.
Assuming that increasing the input stack is possible and desirable, how do I do it?
Please disregardi this, and remove the two modules. Since it seems the 'Missing symbol fonts' problem only happens with a big document, try the usual 'divide and conquer method': terminate your document right after the formula that gives the error, and progressively comment out halves of the preceding text until you manage to isolate the chunk of text preceding the formula that generates the error. Example: say that that from \starttext to \stoptext there are 300 lines, and that the formula is at the last line. Then you comment the first 150 lines and see if the error occurs. If it doesn't happen, you uncomment the first 150 and comment the subsequent 150 (Except for the formula, of course). This way you can tell which half causes the error. In the uncommented half that causes the error you repeat the process (75 lines at a time), then again and again until you manage to focus around the shortest document that causes the error. -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Giuseppe— Actually, it can happen with a very short document too: \starttext \grk{\overbar{\grk{kj}} Kull'hnhc d$^{\hbox{\tfx\grk{ou}}}$ med'eonta ka`i >Arkad'ihc polum'hlou} \stoptext will produce the ! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts error. To generalize: all my attempts to enter mathmode when the bodyfont is Greek (using one of the fonts in Thomas Schmitz’ Greek module) fail because of insufficient symbol fonts. I wonder if this bears of the fact that in this module the fonts have to be defined at every size used in the document. The relevant line in type-tasgreek is \definebodyfont [30pt,25pt,20pt,18pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,14pt,12pt,11pt,10.5pt,10.1pt,10pt, 9pt,8pt,7pt,6pt,5pt,4pt] [rm] My environment file sets the body font size to 10.1 pt. Alan On Oct 30, 2005, at 10:26 AM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe—
I inserted \usemodule[t-amsl] into the preamble and got the same error message: ! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts.
But, when I inserted \usemodule[t-nath] the error message was !TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000] which seems much more promising.
Assuming that increasing the input stack is possible and desirable, how do I do it?
Please disregardi this, and remove the two modules. Since it seems the 'Missing symbol fonts' problem only happens with a big document, try the usual 'divide and conquer method': terminate your document right after the formula that gives the error, and progressively comment out halves of the preceding text until you manage to isolate the chunk of text preceding the formula that generates the error.
Example: say that that from \starttext to \stoptext there are 300 lines, and that the formula is at the last line. Then you comment the first 150 lines and see if the error occurs. If it doesn't happen, you uncomment the first 150 and comment the subsequent 150 (Except for the formula, of course). This way you can tell which half causes the error. In the uncommented half that causes the error you repeat the process (75 lines at a time), then again and again until you manage to focus around the shortest document that causes the error.
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe
Actually, it can happen with a very short document too:
\starttext \grk{\overbar{\grk{kj}} Kull'hnhc d$^{\hbox{\tfx\grk{ou}}}$ med'eonta ka`i >Arkad'ihc polum'hlou}
\stoptext
will produce the ! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts error.
To generalize: all my attempts to enter mathmode when the bodyfont is Greek (using one of the fonts in Thomas Schmitz Greek module) fail because of insufficient symbol fonts.
I wonder if this bears of the fact that in this module the fonts have to be defined at every size used in the document. The relevant line in type-tasgreek is \definebodyfont [30pt,25pt,20pt,18pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,14pt,12pt,11pt,10.5pt,10.1pt,10pt, 9pt,8pt,7pt,6pt,5pt,4pt] [rm]
My environment file sets the body font size to 10.1 pt.
I'm not the font expert, but the problem seems to be that math small text isn't being set (if I see it correctly, you're using math mode to enter a superscript). I would suggest you try \text instead of \hbox in the math part, and even better try \hi{superscript text} or \super{superscript text} for the superscript. -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Giuseppe— Thanks for the tip about \high. That works (and looks cleaner in the source file too). But \grk{\overbar{\grk{kj}} Kull'hnhc d\high{\tfx\grk{ou}} med'eonta ka`i >Arkad'ihc polum'hlou} still chokes on \overbar and returns the “insufficient symbol fonts” error. Alan On Oct 30, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Sunday, October 30, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe—
Actually, it can happen with a very short document too:
\starttext \grk{\overbar{\grk{kj}} Kull'hnhc d$^{\hbox{\tfx\grk{ou}}}$ med'eonta ka`i >Arkad'ihc polum'hlou}
\stoptext
will produce the ! Math formula deleted: Insufficient symbol fonts error.
To generalize: all my attempts to enter mathmode when the bodyfont is Greek (using one of the fonts in Thomas Schmitz’ Greek module) fail because of insufficient symbol fonts.
I wonder if this bears of the fact that in this module the fonts have to be defined at every size used in the document. The relevant line in type-tasgreek is \definebodyfont [30pt,25pt,20pt,18pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,14pt,12pt,11pt,10.5pt,10.1pt,10pt, 9pt,8pt,7pt,6pt,5pt,4pt] [rm]
My environment file sets the body font size to 10.1 pt.
I'm not the font expert, but the problem seems to be that math small text isn't being set (if I see it correctly, you're using math mode to enter a superscript). I would suggest you try \text instead of \hbox in the math part, and even better try \hi{superscript text} or \super{superscript text} for the superscript.
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Monday, October 31, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe
Thanks for the tip about \high. That works (and looks cleaner in the source file too). But
\grk{\overbar{\grk{kj}} Kull'hnhc d\high{\tfx\grk{ou}} med'eonta ka`i >Arkad'ihc polum'hlou}
still chokes on \overbar and returns the insufficient symbol fonts error.
First of all, I notice you are having quite a few \grk in there, unless that's a typo for $...$. Have you tried \overline instead of \overbar? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
I removed some of the \grk. ( I had inserted them because I was uncertain of the effect entering math mode would have on my body font choice. In Plain TeX, I think it was necessary to specify the font.) \grk{\overline{kj}} still fails because of insufficient symbol fonts (just as \grk{\overbar{kj}}). Alan On Oct 31, 2005, at 6:05 AM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Monday, October 31, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe—
Thanks for the tip about \high. That works (and looks cleaner in the source file too). But
\grk{\overbar{\grk{kj}} Kull'hnhc d\high{\tfx\grk{ou}} med'eonta ka`i >Arkad'ihc polum'hlou}
still chokes on \overbar and returns the “insufficient symbol fonts” error.
First of all, I notice you are having quite a few \grk in there, unless that's a typo for $...$. Have you tried \overline instead of \overbar?
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Monday, October 31, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
I removed some of the \grk. ( I had inserted them because I was uncertain of the effect entering math mode would have on my body font choice. In Plain TeX, I think it was necessary to specify the font.)
\grk{\overline{kj}} still fails because of insufficient symbol fonts (just as \grk{\overbar{kj}}).
Shouldn't these be \overline{\grk{kj}}? Anyway, I'm afraid I can't help you any further :( -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Giuseppe, Many thanks for your help: it is very much appreciated. \overbar{{\grk{kj}}} \grk{Kull'hnhc d\high{\tfx{ou}} med'eonta ka`i
Arkad'ihc polum'hlou}
works, but it really is more a work-around than a good solution. Ideally, one would like to be able to do math when the body font is Greek. But we both need some font wizards to help with this. All best, Alan On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Monday, October 31, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
I removed some of the \grk. ( I had inserted them because I was uncertain of the effect entering math mode would have on my body font choice. In Plain TeX, I think it was necessary to specify the font.)
\grk{\overline{kj}} still fails because of insufficient symbol fonts (just as \grk{\overbar{kj}}).
Shouldn't these be \overline{\grk{kj}}?
Anyway, I'm afraid I can't help you any further :(
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Alan, I know next to nothing about math, but I know that the Greek typescripts do not define a math font. So you will get errors doing math when the body font is Greek. I wish I could help, but defining a math font is beyond my abilities. If anyone is interested in doing it, however, I will be happy to provide the specs for the Greek fonts. Best Thomas On Oct 31, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
Giuseppe,
Many thanks for your help: it is very much appreciated.
\overbar{{\grk{kj}}} \grk{Kull'hnhc d\high{\tfx{ou}} med'eonta ka`i
Arkad'ihc polum'hlou}
works, but it really is more a work-around than a good solution.
Ideally, one would like to be able to do math when the body font is Greek. But we both need some font wizards to help with this.
All best, Alan
On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Monday, October 31, 2005 Alan Bowen wrote:
I removed some of the \grk. ( I had inserted them because I was uncertain of the effect entering math mode would have on my body font choice. In Plain TeX, I think it was necessary to specify the font.)
\grk{\overline{kj}} still fails because of insufficient symbol fonts (just as \grk{\overbar{kj}}).
Shouldn't these be \overline{\grk{kj}}?
Anyway, I'm afraid I can't help you any further :(
-- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Alan,
I know next to nothing about math, but I know that the Greek typescripts do not define a math font. So you will get errors doing math when the body font is Greek. I wish I could help, but defining a math font is beyond my abilities. If anyone is interested in doing it, however, I will be happy to provide the specs for the Greek fonts.
because math is also used for text (some symbols) you need a math font (when using typefaces); the best is to define greek as part of a typeface and define a proper math with it); it depends a bit on what trickery you use; (normally such problems should not happen so i'm a bit puzzled) Hans
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