Hi to all, after some "eccentric" projects (musical notation, presentations, posters...) I'm starting my first "core" project with ConTeXt. We have a review here at the university which has been published until now by a publisher. As we are having bad typography and bad distribution, and, more, we have to pay for these two services, we are moving it to the web as a series of downloadable pdfs (maybe with Lulu support). Obviously I've proposed ConTeXt. Now: - I think I can manage the project organization as I have already done it for other projects following http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Project_structure - I think I can define style, format etc using the manuals and the list archive and support But: Fonts are really a mysterious topics. Because of this facts, I have always used default ones. As far as I have understood, The Mk IV issue should simplify the situation but (I really don't want to be indelicate) this is really a horror film for a newbie: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV I'm using TeXLive installation on a macosx (mactex: http:// www.tug.org/mactex/) So: - should I know something about the metrics and other trickery? In that case, really a picture is worth ten thousand words. - how do I know which fonts are installed by the distro? AFAIK, it seems that this is a fairly complicated topic. Which seems to be pretty bizarre, because if they are unusable, why should they be installed? Experimenting with \enableregime[mac] \usetypescript[berry][ec] % or [8r] \usetypescript[palatino][ec] % \definetypeface[bookman][rm][serif][bookman][default][encoding=ec] \usetypescript[berry][ec] % or [8r] \definetypeface[charter][rm][serif][charter][default][encoding=ec] \starttext \setupbodyfont[palatino] çèòîàùé \setupbodyfont[pos] çèòîàùé \setupbodyfont[bookman] çèòîàùé \setupbodyfont[charter] çèòîàùé \stoptext (from http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html#intro) Seems to work but I don't know why and how... - so, excluding "secret" pre-installed fonts, what I have to do to choose a (free) font ? - and how do I install it on my machine? - I.e.: what have I to do? Stay on mark II or switch to mark IV? This "mark" issue has confused me a lot more...:) I think a real tutorial on the font subject is lacking. All the available infos () in some way require IMHO a relevant knowledge So I am solemnly saying that I will wikify the discussion... Many thanks Best -a- -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong)
Fonts are really a mysterious topics.
Fonts have always been a complicated subject indeed, but there's no reason why they should be a mystery.
this is really a horror film for a newbie: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV
What exactly do you find horrible there? It's of course not a beginner's guide to Mark IV but I think it shows you some new features, nothing more. There's basically nothing on that page.
- should I know something about the metrics and other trickery?
I would say yes. It always pays off anyway. But it depends on what you want to do. At the very least you should know what tfm files are and where they're installed in your TeX distribution. At most ... well, there's virtually no upper bound on that ;-)
- how do I know which fonts are installed by the distro? AFAIK, it seems that this is a fairly complicated topic.
For ConTeXt, look at the typescript definitions in type-***.tex. These give you high-level access to fonts. Not all are freely available; for example, the typescripts defined in type-buy.tex need font files that, as the name says, you should buy. But most of them are usable out of the box.
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Seems to work but I don't know why and how...
These all are defined in the default typescripts. If you only wish to change the default fonts, this is all you need. Otherwise you have to write the equivalent TeX code for your own fonts (not too difficult), and install them in your distribution (this can be quite painful).
- so, excluding "secret" pre-installed fonts, what I have to do to choose a (free) font ? - and how do I install it on my machine? - I.e.: what have I to do? Stay on mark II or switch to mark IV? This "mark" issue has confused me a lot more...:)
Judging by your questions and what you say you intend to do, I don't think you would really benefit from Mark IV. Staying with Mark II is fine, but actually, if your main concern is about fonts, I suggest you have a look at XeTeX; look at the wiki for instructions and examples. ConTeXt with XeTeX is known as Mark III, although the name is much less used.
I think a real tutorial on the font subject is lacking. All the available infos () in some way require IMHO a relevant knowledge
True. But you do realize that your last sentence is true of any TeX-related topic, right? So you should not be discouraged in advance. And what about http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf for a start? If you have access to the TUGboat, the last issue has a great article by Idris that explains the whole process of installing and configuring new fonts. I can answer more of your questions if you want, but you really need to figure out what you want to do. My guess is that you only want to find a set of matching fonts and define a typescript. Try to experiment with more pre-defined typescripts like you did above, and look at the code defining them (it may need some work to find and understand it, but it's worth the trouble); then you can start defining your own typescript and installing your own fonts. Much of this is extremely simplified in XeTeX (both TeX macros and font installation); that's why I recommend you have a look at it too (there, typescript aren't needed at all actually; you can access bodyfonts directly). Arthur
On 4 Sep 2007, at 23:00, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
Fonts have always been a complicated subject indeed, but there's no reason why they should be a mystery.
What exactly do you find horrible there? Nothing of course :) I was joking. But as the first page of the wiki is the starting point for many beginner, well, I would say that the second paragraph is misplaced. Starting from its title it seems to suggest that mark IV is what you need in order to run ConTeXt, so go and download it. I think that the
Of course, but I have to say that I wasn't able to find an introductory document explaining the whole stuff from the beginning. paragraph could be placed in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/What_is_ConTeXt, when one has already understood what is pdfTeX. [thanks for all the infos]
Judging by your questions and what you say you intend to do, I don't think you would really benefit from Mark IV. Staying with Mark II is fine, but actually, if your main concern is about fonts, I suggest you have a look at XeTeX; look at the wiki for instructions and examples. ConTeXt with XeTeX is known as Mark III, although the name is much less used.
Thanks. It is exactly what I have started doing (with success until now at least). You're right, I think I can go with XeTeX. Many thanks Best -a- -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong)
Of course, but I have to say that I wasn't able to find an introductory document explaining the whole stuff from the beginning.
There is no such thing, because there is not one beginning. “Fonts” is far too generic a concept anyway, and can probably not be covered within one single document (actually it can, but then it's one thousand pages thick). I still find that mfonts.pdf is a good starting point for most uses, though.
Nothing of course :) I was joking. But as the first page of the wiki is the starting point for many beginner, well, I would say that the second paragraph is misplaced.
Feel free to modify it, then. It is a wiki.
Starting from its title it seems to suggest that mark IV is what you need in order to run ConTeXt, so go and download it.
I think the ConTeXt community can deal with that small amount of publicity and incentive so I don't agree; but again, this is a wiki, every constructive contribution is welcome. The “What is ConTeXt?” article could be enhanced a lot, anyway. Arthur
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