Greek letter fall back for math

Alan Bowen

10 Mar 2016 10 Mar '16

3:34 p.m.

Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.) So, what have I missed/messed up in the following? \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ] \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle] \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9] \definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math] \setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt] \starttext \emph{λ α μ β δ α} \m{λαμβδα} 0123456780 \m{0123456780} \stoptext Alan

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Mikael P. Sundqvist

10 Mar 10 Mar

3:56 p.m.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

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Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.)

So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

\definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt]

\starttext

\emph{λ α μ β δ α}

\m{λαμβδα}

0123456780

\m{0123456780}

\stoptext

Alan

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What if you change \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9] to \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreekitalic] That seems to work here with your example. By the way, I have not seen the Brill font before. It was very nice! /Mikael

Alan Bowen

4:21 p.m.

Thanks, Mikael. That works nicely. Note: I changed \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math: lowercasegreeknormal] to \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreeknormal], since Knuth/TeX sets Greek capital letters upright. Alan On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...
Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.)

So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

\definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt]

\starttext

\emph{λ α μ β δ α}

\m{λαμβδα}

0123456780

\m{0123456780}

\stoptext

Alan

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What if you change

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

to

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreekitalic]

That seems to work here with your example. By the way, I have not seen the Brill font before. It was very nice!

/Mikael

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Mikael P. Sundqvist

4:56 p.m.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

Thanks, Mikael. That works nicely. Note: I changed

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal]

to

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreeknormal], since Knuth/TeX sets Greek capital letters upright.

Alan

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...
Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.)

So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

\definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt]

\starttext

\emph{λ α μ β δ α}

\m{λαμβδα}

0123456780

\m{0123456780}

\stoptext

Alan

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What if you change

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

to

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreekitalic]

That seems to work here with your example. By the way, I have not seen the Brill font before. It was very nice!

/Mikael

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Hi! I think there might be a small piece of misunderstanding (either on your side or on mine). Try the document \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreekitalic] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreekitalic] \definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Termes Math] \setupbodyfont[mainface,10pt] \setuppagenumbering[state=stop] \starttext αβΓΔ{\em αβΓΔ}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\Delta$ (default, upper case greek is upright) \setupmathematics[ ucgreek=italic, ] αβΓΔ{\em αβΓΔ}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\Delta$ (now uppercase greek is in italic) \setupmathematics[ ucgreek=normal, lcgreek=normal, ] αβΓΔ{\em αβΓΔ}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\Delta$ (now both uppercase and lowercase greek are in upright) \stoptext The definefallbackfamily commands do not set what kind of greek letters we get, but only from what font the corresponding range comes from. This is at elast how I understand it. Best Mikael

Alan Bowen

6:30 p.m.

Thanks, Mikael, the minunderstanding was mine. I was not aware of the need for \setupmathematics. A great tip! Best, Alan On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...
Thanks, Mikael. That works nicely. Note: I changed

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal]

to

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreeknormal], since Knuth/TeX sets Greek capital letters upright.

Alan

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen

wrote:

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Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.)

So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

\definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt]

\starttext

\emph{λ α μ β δ α}

\m{λαμβδα}

0123456780

\m{0123456780}

\stoptext

Alan

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What if you change

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

to

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreekitalic]

That seems to work here with your example. By the way, I have not seen the Brill font before. It was very nice!

/Mikael

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Hi!

I think there might be a small piece of misunderstanding (either on your side or on mine). Try the document

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:lowercasegreekitalic] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreeknormal] \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:uppercasegreekitalic]

\definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Termes Math]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,10pt]

\setuppagenumbering[state=stop]

\starttext αβΓΔ{\em αβΓΔ}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\Delta$ (default, upper case greek is upright)

\setupmathematics[ ucgreek=italic, ]

αβΓΔ{\em αβΓΔ}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\Delta$ (now uppercase greek is in italic)

\setupmathematics[ ucgreek=normal, lcgreek=normal, ]

αβΓΔ{\em αβΓΔ}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\Delta$ (now both uppercase and lowercase greek are in upright)

\stoptext

The definefallbackfamily commands do not set what kind of greek letters we get, but only from what font the corresponding range comes from. This is at elast how I understand it.

Best

Mikael

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Wolfgang Schuster

3:59 p.m.

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Alan Bowen mailto:bowenalan03@gmail.com 10. März 2016 um 15:34 Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.)

So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9] You need braces around the list, i.e.

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range={0391-03A9,03B1-03C9}] or \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range={lowercasegreeknormal,uppercasegreeknormal}] Wolfgang

Alan Bowen

4:25 p.m.

Whoops! Thanks, Woffgang. \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range={0391-03A9,03B1-03C9}] still does not work, however. But \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=math:…] does. Bet, Alan On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Wolfgang Schuster < schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alan Bowen 10. März 2016 um 15:34 Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the Greek letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it works, it should look better on the page than what I have now.)

So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality, mode=node, force=yes, ]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella][preset=math:digitsnormal,features=f:oldstyle]

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=0391-03A9,03B1-03C9]

You need braces around the list, i.e.

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range={0391-03A9,03B1-03C9}]

or

\definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range={lowercasegreeknormal,uppercasegreeknormal}]

Wolfgang

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