On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 7/20/2017 7:18 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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Den 12 juli 2017 10:17 fm skrev "Mikael P. Sundqvist" mailto:mickep@gmail.com>:

Dear Hans,

now, in luatex 1.05, that the primes are "constructed" in new manner, I wonder if there is a way to specify in a goodie file the kerning between characters, in particular primes and the left parenthesis?

I tried

kernpairs = { [0x2032] = {[0x0028] = -1000, }, -- prime and ( },

but that does not seem to have any effect.

The pre-1.05 modification

dimensions = { default = { [0x2044] = { xoffset = 275, width = 600 }, [0x2032] = { xoffset = 50, width = 290 }, -- prime [0x2033] = { xoffset = 50, width = 690 }, -- double prime [0x2034] = { xoffset = 50, width = 1090}, -- triple prime [0x2057] = { xoffset = 50, width = 1490}, -- quadruple prime }, },

(which is a non-optimal way of solving this issue since it has side effects) does not change anything anymore.

So, is there now a way to do this cleanly now that the mechanism is changed?

/Mikael

Hi,

should I interpret the silence that this is currently not possible, or that you, Hans, is completely fed up with this subject? :-)

you rule out the possibility that i have other things to do

anyway, use

0xFE932

etc instead as primes get remapped

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I'm sorry but I cannot get it to work. %%% my local lucida-opentype-math.lfg, located in the same directory as the tex file (and loaded) ----- kern_250 = { bottomright = { { kern = -250 } }, force = true } local function FixRadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap(value,target,original) local o = original.mathparameters.RadicalVerticalGap -- 50 return 2 * o * target.parameters.factor end return { name = "lucida-opentype-math", version = "1.00", comment = "Goodies that complement lucida opentype.", author = "Hans Hagen", copyright = "ConTeXt development team", mathematics = { parameters = { RadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap = FixRadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap, }, kernpairs = { [0x1D44E] = {[0x1D44F] = 1000,}, -- 𝑎𝑏 demo [0xFE932] = {[0x0028] = 1000,} -- remapped prime and ( }, } } %%% %%% the tex file \setupbodyfont[lucidaot] \setupmathematics[kernpairs=yes] \starttext $f'(x)ab$ \stoptext %%% The result is attached. It works ok for the pair ab, but not for prime and (. Is the ( also remapped (while greping for it in the source, I could not find any clue). Maybe it is better to ping the maintainers of the font? /Mikael

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 7/31/2017 11:21 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 7/20/2017 7:18 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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Den 12 juli 2017 10:17 fm skrev "Mikael P. Sundqvist" mailto:mickep@gmail.com>:

Dear Hans,

now, in luatex 1.05, that the primes are "constructed" in new manner, I wonder if there is a way to specify in a goodie file the kerning between characters, in particular primes and the left parenthesis?

I tried

kernpairs = { [0x2032] = {[0x0028] = -1000, }, -- prime and ( },

but that does not seem to have any effect.

The pre-1.05 modification

dimensions = { default = { [0x2044] = { xoffset = 275, width = 600 }, [0x2032] = { xoffset = 50, width = 290 }, -- prime [0x2033] = { xoffset = 50, width = 690 }, -- double prime [0x2034] = { xoffset = 50, width = 1090}, -- triple prime [0x2057] = { xoffset = 50, width = 1490}, -- quadruple prime }, },

(which is a non-optimal way of solving this issue since it has side effects) does not change anything anymore.

So, is there now a way to do this cleanly now that the mechanism is changed?

/Mikael

Hi,

should I interpret the silence that this is currently not possible, or that you, Hans, is completely fed up with this subject? :-)

you rule out the possibility that i have other things to do

anyway, use

0xFE932

etc instead as primes get remapped

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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I'm sorry but I cannot get it to work.

%%% my local lucida-opentype-math.lfg, located in the same directory as the tex file (and loaded) ----- kern_250 = { bottomright = { { kern = -250 } }, force = true }

local function FixRadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap(value,target,original) local o = original.mathparameters.RadicalVerticalGap -- 50 return 2 * o * target.parameters.factor end

return { name = "lucida-opentype-math", version = "1.00", comment = "Goodies that complement lucida opentype.", author = "Hans Hagen", copyright = "ConTeXt development team", mathematics = { parameters = { RadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap = FixRadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap, }, kernpairs = { [0x1D44E] = {[0x1D44F] = 1000,}, -- 𝑎𝑏 demo [0xFE932] = {[0x0028] = 1000,} -- remapped prime and ( }, } } %%%

%%% the tex file \setupbodyfont[lucidaot] \setupmathematics[kernpairs=yes]

\starttext $f'(x)ab$ \stoptext %%%

The result is attached. It works ok for the pair ab, but not for prime and (. Is the ( also remapped (while greping for it in the source, I could not find any clue).

Maybe it is better to ping the maintainers of the font?

just change the dimensions

dimensions = { default = { -- experimental values [0x2044] = { xoffset = 275, width = 600 }, -- [0x2032] = { yoffset = -10 }, [0xFE932] = { width = 200 }, [0xFE933] = { width = 500 }, [0xFE934] = { width = 800 }, }, },

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Dear Hans, thank you, that solution worked well! May I suggest to add something like dimensions = { default = { [0xFE932] = { width = 150 }, -- prime [0xFE933] = { width = 435 }, -- double prime [0xFE934] = { width = 720 }, -- triple prime [0xFE957] = { width = 1005 }, -- quadruple prime }, }, (or the values 200, 500, 800, 1100 if you prefer) to the font goodie file for lucida in the distribution? Again, thanks for your time, it is very much appreciated. /Mikael

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 7/31/2017 8:02 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 7/31/2017 11:21 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 7/20/2017 7:18 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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Den 12 juli 2017 10:17 fm skrev "Mikael P. Sundqvist" mailto:mickep@gmail.com>:

Dear Hans,

now, in luatex 1.05, that the primes are "constructed" in new manner, I wonder if there is a way to specify in a goodie file the kerning between characters, in particular primes and the left parenthesis?

I tried

kernpairs = { [0x2032] = {[0x0028] = -1000, }, -- prime and ( },

but that does not seem to have any effect.

The pre-1.05 modification

dimensions = { default = { [0x2044] = { xoffset = 275, width = 600 }, [0x2032] = { xoffset = 50, width = 290 }, -- prime [0x2033] = { xoffset = 50, width = 690 }, -- double prime [0x2034] = { xoffset = 50, width = 1090}, -- triple prime [0x2057] = { xoffset = 50, width = 1490}, -- quadruple prime }, },

(which is a non-optimal way of solving this issue since it has side effects) does not change anything anymore.

So, is there now a way to do this cleanly now that the mechanism is changed?

/Mikael

Hi,

should I interpret the silence that this is currently not possible, or that you, Hans, is completely fed up with this subject? :-)

you rule out the possibility that i have other things to do

anyway, use

0xFE932

etc instead as primes get remapped

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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I'm sorry but I cannot get it to work.

%%% my local lucida-opentype-math.lfg, located in the same directory as the tex file (and loaded) ----- kern_250 = { bottomright = { { kern = -250 } }, force = true }

local function FixRadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap(value,target,original) local o = original.mathparameters.RadicalVerticalGap -- 50 return 2 * o * target.parameters.factor end

return { name = "lucida-opentype-math", version = "1.00", comment = "Goodies that complement lucida opentype.", author = "Hans Hagen", copyright = "ConTeXt development team", mathematics = { parameters = { RadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap = FixRadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap, }, kernpairs = { [0x1D44E] = {[0x1D44F] = 1000,}, -- 𝑎𝑏 demo [0xFE932] = {[0x0028] = 1000,} -- remapped prime and ( }, } } %%%

%%% the tex file \setupbodyfont[lucidaot] \setupmathematics[kernpairs=yes]

\starttext $f'(x)ab$ \stoptext %%%

The result is attached. It works ok for the pair ab, but not for prime and (. Is the ( also remapped (while greping for it in the source, I could not find any clue).

Maybe it is better to ping the maintainers of the font?

just change the dimensions

dimensions = { default = { -- experimental values [0x2044] = { xoffset = 275, width = 600 }, -- [0x2032] = { yoffset = -10 }, [0xFE932] = { width = 200 }, [0xFE933] = { width = 500 }, [0xFE934] = { width = 800 }, }, },

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Dear Hans,

thank you, that solution worked well! May I suggest to add something like

dimensions = { default = { [0xFE932] = { width = 150 }, -- prime [0xFE933] = { width = 435 }, -- double prime [0xFE934] = { width = 720 }, -- triple prime [0xFE957] = { width = 1005 }, -- quadruple prime }, },

(or the values 200, 500, 800, 1100 if you prefer) to the font goodie file for lucida in the distribution?

too narrow might clash with superscripts .. did you do more tests than the ( ?

there are also reverse primes

Hans

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I think your values look better for (f') but mine for f'(x). Compare the two attached files. I have browsed my ~270 pages math document, but so far I only see either primes alone or primes with ( after, and both look OK to me. I don't know how reverse primes are supposed to look or to be used, so there I am of no help. /Mikael