Dear ConText Users Being an age-old LaTeX user I thought I should give ConText a try. But then I stumbled over the first problem when trying to use BibTeX: Crossrefs don't seem to work properly. - the work that uses a crossref is listed incompletely in the publication list - the crossref'd work itself isn't included at all. I haven't found a solution on the web. * * * Details. I have a source file (cut for the relevant parts): -- start of content.tex -- \environment mainsetup \version[concept] \starttext Es wird eine \quotation{Übersichtliche Darstellung} angestrebt (vgl. \cite[wittgenstein-1997-philosophische-untersuchungen]\ §~132, S.~304f.). \completepublications \stoptext -- end of content.tex -- The setup file is in the directory above (for use in multiple docs, as suggested in the ConText documentation): -- start of mainsetup.tex -- \enableregime[utf] \usemodule[bib] \setuppublications[alternative=aps] \setuppublications[sorttype=bbl] \setupbibtex [database={~/Textsammlung/Central}, sort=author] \setupheadtext[de][pubs=Literatur] \startenvironment mainsetup \setupbodyfont[11pt] \mainlanguage[de] \stopenvironment -- end of mainsetup.tex -- The relevant part of the Central.bib is this (in this order, BibTeX expexts uses of crossrefs to appear before the resp. crossref'd entry): -- start of Central.bib -- @STRING{cy-fm = "Frankfurt (Main)"} @STRING{pb-skp = "Suhrkamp"} @STRING{wittgenstein = "Wittgenstein, Ludwig"} @incollection{wittgenstein-1997-philosophische-untersuchungen, Crossref = {wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe}, Edition = 11, Note = {Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte}, Pages = {225-580}, Title = {Philosophische Untersuchungen}, Volume = 1, Year = 1997 } @book{wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe, Address = cy-fm, Author = wittgenstein, Booktitle = {Werkausgabe}, Isbn = 3518099884, Publisher = pb-skp, Title = {Werkausgabe}, Year = 1984 } -- end of Central.bib -- The PDF output file after % texexec --pdf content % bibtext content % texexec --pdf content yields something like (characters may be distrupted due to conversion from UTF-8): -- start of content.pdf rendered as plain text -- Es wird eine "Übersichtliche Darstellung" der relevanten Begriffe angestrebt (vgl. [1] § 132, S. 304f.). Literatur 1 L. WittgensteinIn [??], p. 225-580. Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte. -- end of context.pdf -- A hint to the solution for an expert could be the bbl file. Note that the order of the entries is turned around: -- start of content.bbl -- \startpublication[k=wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe,t=book, a={Wittgenstein},y=1984, n=141,s=Wit84] \author[]{Ludwig}[L.]{}{Wittgenstein} \pubyear{1984} \title{Werkausgabe} \isbn{3518099884} \city{Frankfurt (Main)} \pubname{Suhrkamp} \stoppublication \startpublication[k=wittgenstein-1997-philosophische-untersuchungen,t=incollec% tion, a={Wittgenstein},y=1997, n=140,s=Wit97] \artauthor[]{Ludwig}[L.]{}{Wittgenstein} \pubyear{1997} \arttitle{Philosophische untersuchungen} \crossref{wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe} \pages{225-580} \pages{225-580} \pubname{Suhrkamp} \note{Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte} \stoppublication -- end of content.bbl -- So: - The reference as such is found correctly. - The entry in the References has <note> and <pages> but not <title>, <edition> and <volume>, and <year>. - The crossreference is not properly processed. (and, actually, multiple pages should produce "pp." not "p.") It should be something like 1 L. Wittgenstein (1984) Werkausgabe. Frankfurt (Main): Suhrkamp. 2 L. Wittgenstein (1997) Philosophische Untersuchungen. In [1], Bd. 1, S. 225-580. Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte. (If ordered by author first, then year. Note also that in \language[de] "vol." should be "Bd." and "p." be "S.".) Coding for all files is UTF-8, things works as it they should in LaTeX. Any ideas of what to do or hints where to find more info? * * * Additional question: what is the best way to generate the bbl file in the project directory? (I use "Central.bib" for all my documents). Using % texexec mainsetup in the projects directory produces many unnecessary files (e.g. a dvi file) as it is only meant as a setup file. * * * I general, I like ConText. Strangely, it plays well with my mindset, as does the whole layout orientation with my taste. However, proper bibliography processing is a "killer feature" for me -- I have virtually no document whithout references. (I wonder, what the direction of the ConText development here is; arguably, odd old BibTeX has reached an end of its history and support for more modern and complete, e.g. XML-based formats would be preferable (say, MODS) -- considering the seeminly nice XML support that is already there.) Cheers & Thanks in advance! Ulf Martin
Hi Ulf, Ulf Martin wrote:
Crossrefs don't seem to work properly.
There isn't one, only a partial workaround: manually add a line of \nocite[<crossref-ed entry>] in your source somewhere, and at least the module will typeset the cross-referenced item itself. I will reconsider fixing this, but it is one of the more annoying things to get right.
A hint to the solution for an expert could be the bbl file. Note that the order of the entries is turned around:
No, that is absolutely unrelated. The .bbl file in context is nothing else than a representation in TeX macros of the original .bib file(s).
(If ordered by author first, then year. Note also that in \language[de] "vol." should be "Bd." and "p." be "S.".)
Someone could create a bibl-aps-de.tex file, but I can not. It would just be a copy of bibl-aps.tex, but with german strings instead of english ones. You would still need to use an explicit language like \setuppublications[alternative=aps-de] though (because switching based on the current document language is not necessarily correct and is therefore unsupported).
Any ideas of what to do or hints where to find more info?
Rgiht here, on this list.
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Additional question: what is the best way to generate the bbl file in the project directory? (I use "Central.bib" for all my documents).
Using
% texexec mainsetup
in the projects directory produces many unnecessary files (e.g. a dvi file) as it is only meant as a setup file.
You only have to generate the bbl file once, so that should not be a big burden. You could feasibly create a dummy file that is 4 or 5 lines long and has nothing but the \usemodule & \setupbibtex lines, run that, and rename the resulting bbl file.
However, proper bibliography processing is a "killer feature" for me -- I have virtually no document whithout references. (I wonder, what the direction of the ConText development here is; arguably, odd old BibTeX has reached an end of its history and support for more modern and complete, e.g. XML-based formats would be preferable (say, MODS) -- considering the seeminly nice XML support that is already there.)
Bibtex is a rather idiosyncratic and LaTeX-centric program, and it already takes some effort to make bibtex believe that ConTeXt is enough like LaTeX to make it work. I do not wish to spend much more time catering for the bizarreness that is bibtex than I already have. The next major release of the module (but don't expect a release anywhere this year) will indeed support MODS through citeproc: http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/citeproc/ Cheers, Taco
Taco Hoekwater
The next major release of the module (but don't expect a release anywhere this year) will indeed support MODS through citeproc:
As the author of citeproc (hi Taco!), let me just update people on recent developments there, which are currently in the project subversion repository*, but not yet officially released. First, I have switched to using a particular RDF/XML as the internal representation, and also therefore the primary input format. I will likely be adding back a MODS input driver when I get a chance, but it's no longer the focus. I will also be releasing a schema for this RDF representation for people that need it. The primary reason for this change is that in comparison to MODS, RDF has a consistent model that makes it easier to model reference metadata. It's also fundamentally a relational model, and so easier to integrate with relational databases where needed. Also, I am working with the OpenDocument Technical Committee on a plan to add extensible metadata support using this RDF-based approach, so we hope to adopt this in OpenOffice as well (I am co-project lead for the OOo bib project). Second, I have started porting CiteProc to Ruby (and put a citeproc-py directory in the repo for those python coders that might want to contribute), which might integrate better with ConTeXt. (I suppose Lua might also be an option given the integration with pdftex?) In any case, this will take me a bit of time as a) I don't have much of it, and b) my coding skills aren't that great. But the actual formatting code (Ruby, XSLT, etc.) is to my mind less important than the logic as embedded in the XML citation style language I wrote to configure the formatting. http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/csl/ Bruce * http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/xbiblio/
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