On 11/25/2020 10:12 AM, Giulio Bertellini wrote:

Great. Made a clean install from scratch and now metafun manual compiles great at first run:

mkiv lua stats  > used engine:*luametatex version: 2.0803, functionality level: 20201123*, format id: 547, compiler: gcc mkiv lua stats  > tex properties: 740024 hash slots used of 2097152, approximate memory usage: 44 MB mkiv lua stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.4, used memory: 140 MB, ctx: 123 MB, max: 123 MB, hash chars: min(64,40), symbol mask: utf (τεχ) mkiv lua stats  > runtime: 20.182 seconds, 396 processed pages, 396 shipped pages, 19.621 pages/second

Looks ok to me given the thousands of graphics. What are the specs of the machine? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 11/26/2020 4:26 PM, Keith McKay wrote:

Hi,

I'm planning in the next few weeks to retire my 2012 16GB Mac mini which has served me well with ConTeXt (and other software) over these past few years. I was planning on getting the new entry level MAC min M1 with 8GB unified memory but I see that there will be no ConTeXt binaries for these new M1 chip Macs. Would it be possible for a ConTeXt user like myself to build the binaries on my proposed new Mac? I'm not a computer professional. At some point yes (because once stable the code will be in the distribition) but even then you probably need to mess with compilers

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/building_a_universal_macos_b... Maybe Mojca has to configure the build to either generate arm bins (in addition) or universal apple bins (of course these are larger). We actually discussed it before but apple has been kind of secretive about all this. Of course, if they care about luatex cs support they could send an M1 mini to Mojca for the compile farm for some real testing. Btw, aren't intel bins supposed to run on the M1 in some emulation mode? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 11/26/2020 5:10 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 5:00 PM Hans Hagen mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

 Of course, if they care about luatex cs support they could send an M1 mini to Mojca for the compile farm for some real testing.

very likely luatex will run full native on M1 on next texlive, following http://www.tug.org/mactex/aboutarm.html http://www.tug.org/mactex/aboutarm.html

that's with universal binaries (as happened before when apple switched from powerpc to intel) i suppose the buildnot can generate small arm M1 only bins Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 11/26/2020 6:07 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

Il Gio 26 Nov 2020, 18:00 Hans Hagen mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl> ha scritto:

On 11/26/2020 5:10 PM, luigi scarso wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 5:00 PM Hans Hagen mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl > mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>> wrote: > >       Of course, if they care about luatex cs support they >     could send an M1 mini to Mojca for the compile farm for some real >     testing. > > > very likely luatex will run full native on M1 on next texlive, following > http://www.tug.org/mactex/aboutarm.html http://www.tug.org/mactex/aboutarm.html > <http://www.tug.org/mactex/aboutarm.html http://www.tug.org/mactex/aboutarm.html> that's with universal binaries (as happened before when apple switched from powerpc to intel)

Full native: """ Full native Arm support will arrive with MacTeX-2021 next spring. """

sure, but by using a unversal bin: from 2021 on they will contain both Intel and Arm code packaged together as a universal binary. Thus MacTeX will support Intel and Arm machines on an equal footing for many years to come. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 16:26, Keith McKay wrote:

I was planning on getting the new entry level MAC min M1 with 8GB unified memory but I see that there will be no ConTeXt binaries for these new M1 chip Macs.

It's not that there will not be, it's just that none of us has purchased a piece of hardware yet. A few months back it was possible to purchase one, but: - it was just a one year rental fee rather than the ability to purchase it - definitely not available in my country - one had to enrol to the payed developer program - and then do a bunch of other bureaucracy (get some special business number etc.) - and it wasn't even guaranteed that you would get a device at the end I was contemplating what to do this time around since 8 GB of memory is not even sufficient to run a web browser, and the TeX Live hardly fits on their drive :), but it should do the job purely as a build machine. (Not that they have "none in stock", but I could smuggle one from elsewhere as long as the postal services keep running ...)

Would it be possible for a ConTeXt user like myself to build the binaries on my proposed new Mac? I'm not a computer professional.

There are three options: - the existing Intel binaries should work just fine - yes, you should be able to compile the binaries yourself - we should eventually get hold of one device for our build farm, or in the meantime just ask someone for the initial build which should keep you covered for a while Discussing when TeX Live will be available for arm is "out of context". We should get those binaries working before TL 2021. Mojca

Thanks for your interesting and very helpful reply Mojca. It's given me 
lots to think about.

Best wishes

Keith McKay

On 26/11/2020 18:43, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 16:26, Keith McKay wrote:
>> I was planning on getting the new entry level MAC min M1 with 8GB
>> unified memory but I see that there will be no ConTeXt binaries for
>> these new M1 chip Macs.
> It's not that there will not be, it's just that none of us has
> purchased a piece of hardware yet.
>
> A few months back it was possible to purchase one, but:
> - it was just a one year rental fee rather than the ability to purchase it
> - definitely not available in my country
> - one had to enrol to the payed developer program
> - and then do a bunch of other bureaucracy (get some special business
> number etc.)
> - and it wasn't even guaranteed that you would get a device at the end
>
> I was contemplating what to do this time around since 8 GB of memory
> is not even sufficient to run a web browser, and the TeX Live hardly
> fits on their drive :), but it should do the job purely as a build
> machine. (Not that they have "none in stock", but I could smuggle one
> from elsewhere as long as the postal services keep running ...)
>
>> Would it be possible for a ConTeXt user like
>> myself to build the binaries on my proposed new Mac? I'm not a computer
>> professional.
> There are three options:
> - the existing Intel binaries should work just fine
> - yes, you should be able to compile the binaries yourself
> - we should eventually get hold of one device for our build farm, or
> in the meantime just ask someone for the initial build which should
> keep you covered for a while
>
> Discussing when TeX Live will be available for arm is "out of
> context". We should get those binaries working before TL 2021.
>
> Mojca
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