Is all of this an April 1st hoax? Now that we are April 2nd, please put an end to our anxiety… Best regards: OK On 2 avr. 09, at 09:40, Hans Hagen wrote:

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 01.04.2009 um 20:33 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

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But I fear that even all of that together will generate enough income for me to continue developing modules and offering help for free. Therefore, the planned bib module replacement will be released as commercial software, and support for other ConTeXT stuff (like the current bib module) will become a paid service. Probably via a subscription website, that will (for example) also host my release notes. I am brooding on other ConTeXt module ideas that people may be willing to pay for, and I will finish the font projects that are still on my disk for sale via my website. If you're no longer interested on a free version of the bib module I can write one, let's see which one the users will choose :) I have also a modul wish you can add to your list, it called t- askhans and works like \startaskhans How can I get ...? \stopaskhans and answer to the question is printed (with a nice layout + example) in the resulting pdf file.

after seeing tacos mail i got so depressed that i dropped off line (after kicking him of the context list of course) ... i think that the simpliest solution is no longer to support bibliographies at all, after all, we have no published manuals to cite anyway

Hans

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luigi scarso wrote:

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Hi,

As Arthur emailed me already: you people are just too gullible ! :)

Bad boy . You should consider that some of us can have, well ,how can I say, a heart trouble , a heart condition .

Please , provide for check-up for our ancient members asap .

well, if it helps you to calm doen, i can let you know that luatex now reports a \badness of 20000 when you typeset the word 'taco' Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM, luigi scarso wrote:

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well, if it helps you to calm doen, i can let you know that luatex now reports a \badness of 20000 when you typeset the word 'taco'

ok , but it's not enough

How about... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite ? Oh and authors of the manual, would you please add this to it - in a separate chapter ? ;O) Alan

luigi scarso wrote:

2009/4/2 Alan Stone

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM, luigi scarso wrote:

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well, if it helps you to calm doen, i can let you know that luatex now reports a \badness of 20000 when you typeset the word 'taco'

ok , but it's not enough

How about...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite ?

Oh and authors of the manual, would you please add this to it - in a separate chapter ? ;O)

Ah right A question is \badness=20000 infinite in luatex ? In TeX yes and I think also in luatex .

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luigi scarso wrote:

(anyway it's not enough)

Looks like I owe Luigi a beer (for which he will have to attend the meeting, of course). Best wishes, Taco

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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luigi scarso wrote:

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(anyway it's not enough)

Looks like I owe Luigi a beer (for which he will have to attend the meeting, of course).

ok, two beers than (since dutch beers are half the size of german, czech and slovenian beers)

ok, that's ok -- luigi

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2009-04-02 um 10:47 schrieb Hans Hagen:

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Looks like I owe Luigi a beer (for which he will have to attend the meeting, of course).

ok, two beers than (since dutch beers are half the size of german, czech and slovenian beers)

Depends - Colonian beer is served in tiny glasses...

I wouldn't be so eager to drink beer with 'colon' in the name, either :) Perhaps we should stop this thread ... Best wishes, Taco

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, luigi scarso wrote:

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Oh and authors of the manual, would you please add this to it - in a separate chapter ? ;O)

+1 in perpetual memory (anyway it's not enough)

Hmmm... Add a line "About Taco" to the "Welcome" section of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page , in bold red characters ? Alan

Am 2009-04-02 um 10:10 schrieb Hans Hagen:

well, if it helps you to calm doen, i can let you know that luatex now reports a \badness of 20000 when you typeset the word 'taco'

Well, that's really a problem, since I'm working on a quality manual for a global Mexican food company... Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

A great fun Taco, Thanks! (I did believe you for a moment) Best, -- Jean

Although the fool's day passed, I still had been gotten by you. It's so good that those horrible things are not true. Good job! Wei-Wei Taco Hoekwater 写道:

Hi,

As Arthur emailed me already: you people are just too gullible ! :)

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Hello everybody,

This message is to inform you all that as of today, I am no longer an employee of Elvenkind BV, the company where I have worked for during the past years.

This part is true, I am in fact an independant contractor now. Life is just more fun that way, there is no other reason.

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Working for Elvenkind has been a pleasure, but it has always been hard for Elvenkind to find enough commercial projects to employ me in.

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Even the recent (much appreciated!) funded TeX-development projects simply do not generate enough revenue for Elvenkind to make it viable to keep me as an employee in the current economic climate.

false (Elvenkind is doing better than ever, if anything)

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This is not the best time to be out of a job, but nevertheless I have decided to try to make the most of it an attempt to make an old dream happen: being my own boss.

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Since quite some time already I have had a private company called Bittext that I use for various bits and pieces that simply did not fit in with Elvenkind's company strategy (its original intent was to place my font development work in that company, but it has also been used as the company behind organizing the ConTeXt Epen meeting in 2007, for example).

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For the development of luatex and metapost, I do not expect that much to change compared to the current situation: Hans and I will continue to write funding proposals and we hope that enough of those will be granted so that I can keep that development work going much like it is. (about a 50% commitment working on these two programs in an average working week).

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However, for ConTeXT and other TeX-related things, the situation is a bit more problematic.

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Pragma ADE does not have money to fund any projects, even if I managed to find something to excite Hans that he couldn't do faster himself ;).

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To find the missing source of income, I intend to start giving commercial ConTeXt courses and

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I plan to start selling manuals via lulu.

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Perhaps there is a bit of consultancy that can be found as well,

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and I will try to regain some of my old mathematical typesetting clients.

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But I fear that even all of that together will generate enough income for me to continue developing modules and offering help for free.

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Therefore, the planned bib module replacement will be released as commercial software,

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and support for other ConTeXT stuff (like the current bib module) will become a paid service.

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Probably via a subscription website, that will (for example) also host my release notes.

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I am brooding on other ConTeXt module ideas that people may be willing to pay for,

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and I will finish the font projects that are still on my disk for sale via my website.

maybe

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This April (until around BachoTeX) I will still be busy preparing the luatex and metapost binaries for the TeXlive 2009 deadline, but after

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that I will likely drop offline for a while,

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creating the Bittext website ( http://www.bittext.com )

true-ish, that really does need to be done.

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and figuring out things like how to be on the receiving end of Lulu and PayPal.

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Well, that is about all I wanted to say right now. I am quite apprehensive about how this news will fall in the ConTeXT community, but I see no other way.

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And I must admit that at the same time I am quite excited about being "in control of my own destiny", as they say!

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Best wishes, Taco

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2009/4/2 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:40:26 -0600, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

As Arthur emailed me already: you people are just too gullible ! :)

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Actually, I guessed that it was a joke in the first few minutes after receiving it .. It was a well-staged prank, but your talk of "selling the bib module" gave you away...

Until last year "selling bib module" shoud be enough . Actually the deep world crisis can change many things -- so no surprise, but high apprehension yes . Next year -- who knows ? -- luigi

2009/4/3 Wolfgang Schuster

Am 02.04.2009 um 15:52 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد:

Actually, I guessed that it was a joke in the first few minutes after

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receiving it .. It was a well-staged prank, but your talk of "selling the bib module" gave you away...

I was really surprised that Wolfgang fell for it...

Hi Idris, my answer wasn't meant to be serious but it seems you fell to mine :)

Hi Wolfgang, Idris's answer wasn't meant to be serious too ...

:)) -- luigi