Hello! I tried the modules tamsl and tnath. This is what I noticed or have questions about: 1. The bracket for \cases{} is too small when tnath is used, as in this example: \usemodule[amsl] \usemodule[nath] \starttext We denote by \startformula 1_{ij} = \cases{ 1 & if $(i,j) \in \cal E$\cr 0 & else} \stopformula the {\em indicator function} of event $(i,j) \in \cal E$. \stoptext Without modules amsl and nath the brackets have correct size, but \cal has no effect. 2. Without module amsl, the above example produces an error message. 3. Module amsl uses \mathBbd{} for the blackboard fonts. I'm not sure if this is used in AMSLatex, however neither amsmath nor amssymb introduce this command. Instead, there's a command \mathbb{} in amssymb for the blackboard fonts. 4. $\mathBbd{N}_0$ doesn't produce ${\mb N}_0$. Boris Hollas
Tuesday, December 2, 2003 Boris Hollas wrote:
Hello!
I tried the modules tamsl and tnath.
Thank you very much :)
This is what I noticed or have questions about:
1. The bracket for \cases{} is too small when tnath is used, as in this example:
\usemodule[amsl] \usemodule[nath]
\starttext
We denote by \startformula 1_{ij} = \cases{ 1 & if $(i,j) \in \cal E$\cr 0 & else} \stopformula the {\em indicator function} of event $(i,j) \in \cal E$.
\stoptext
Without modules amsl and nath the brackets have correct size, but \cal has no effect.
I'll look into this bug.
2. Without module amsl, the above example produces an error message.
It's not supposed to work ;)
3. Module amsl uses \mathBbd{} for the blackboard fonts. I'm not sure if this is used in AMSLatex, however neither amsmath nor amssymb introduce this command. Instead, there's a command \mathbb{} in amssymb for the blackboard fonts.
4. $\mathBbd{N}_0$ doesn't produce ${\mb N}_0$.
To fix these, please change the lines from line 165 in tamsl.tex (to the line with \enablemathcollection excluded) into the following: \def\!mathcal {\fam\purefamily{calligraphic}} \def\!mathBbd {\fam\purefamily{blackboard}} \def\!mathfrak{\fam\purefamily{fraktur}} \def\mathcal #1{{\!mathcal #1}} \def\mathbb #1{{\!mathBbd #1}} \def\mathfrak#1{{\!mathfrak#1}} \appendtoks \let\cal \!mathcal \let\Bbd \!mathBbd \let\frak\!mathfrak \to\everymath \appendtoks \let\cal \!mathcal \let\Bbd \!mathBbd \let\frak\!mathfrak \to\everydisplay and let me know if it works fine. This way (in math mode) \cal, \Bbd and \frak should change the font for all following stuff (within local group) and \mathcal, \mathbb, \mathfrak should work only on the following token. Am I correct in remembering this is "the LaTeX way"?  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
[Sorry if this is a repost. The first time, I posted from the wrong email account.]  Hello Giuseppe, you've done a great work with amsl an nath modules! Seems that there is a little bug when you try to gather more than two formulas: \placeformula \startgather f(x) = x \\ g(x) = x^2 \\ h(x) = x^3 \stopgather When doing so, I end up with the last two equations on the same line, with the same equation number. Thanks! David
Sunday, December 7, 2003 David Munger wrote:
[Sorry if this is a repost. The first time, I posted from the wrong email account.]

Hello Giuseppe, you've done a great work with amsl an nath modules!
Seems that there is a little bug when you try to gather more than two formulas:
\placeformula \startgather f(x) = x \\ g(x) = x^2 \\ h(x) = x^3 \stopgather
When doing so, I end up with the last two equations on the same line, with the same equation number.
I will look into this. Are you using amsl only or nath too?  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
\placeformula \startgather f(x) = x \\ g(x) = x^2 \\ h(x) = x^3 \stopgather
I will look into this. Are you using amsl only or nath too?
It works well with amsl only. Though it would be nice to have an option to chose between individual numbering or one number for all equations. The bug happens when using nath too.
\placeformula \startgather f(x) = x \\ g(x) = x^2 \\ h(x) = x^3 \stopgather
I will look into this. Are you using amsl only or nath too?
It works well with amsl only. Though it would be nice to have an option to chose between individual numbering or one number for all equations. The bug happens when using nath too.
Monday, December 8, 2003 David Munger wrote:
\placeformula \startgather f(x) = x \\ g(x) = x^2 \\ h(x) = x^3 \stopgather
I will look into this. Are you using amsl only or nath too?
It works well with amsl only. Though it would be nice to have an option to chose between individual numbering or one number for all equations.
The bug happens when using nath too.
What version of ConTeXt are you using? With the one I have here, there seems to have been some change in the core that made your example bomb out ... gather and align couldn't be used after \placeformula at all. I made a quick fix to amsl for that. Now at least they work both with and without nath. Regarding your problem(s): * with the ConTeXt version I have (2003.09.26), all lines in the gather are separate. The whole block has a single number, though. This is both with, and without nath. * formula (sub)numbering needs a good cleanup in ConTeXt (just like math support in general ...). I need to discuss the thing with Hans before being able to fix the thing in amsl and/or nath.  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Monday, December 8, 2003 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Regarding your problem(s):
* with the ConTeXt version I have (2003.09.26), all lines in the gather are separate. The whole block has a single number, though. This is both with, and without nath.
* formula (sub)numbering needs a good cleanup in ConTeXt (just like math support in general ...). I need to discuss the thing with Hans before being able to fix the thing in amsl and/or nath.
Ok, I think I found what's going wrong. David, please download the updated tamsl.tex and tnath.tex from CTAN; then edit tnath.tex and look for the line \usemodule[amsl] move it to the top of the file (after the "%D updated ..." line). Secondly, look for the definition of \gather@cr and replace it with \def\gather@cr{ \dmathoff@ \egroup \stopnatheq \stopformula \stop \ifnumberedgather \expandafter\plaatsformule \fi \start \def\curr@cr{\gather@cr}% \let\\\curr@cr \dostartformula{nathgather} \startnatheq \hbox\bgroup \dmathon@ \mathopen{}% } And have another go :)  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Monday, December 8, 2003 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Regarding your problem(s):
* with the ConTeXt version I have (2003.09.26), all lines in the gather are separate. The whole block has a single number, though. This is both with, and without nath.
* formula (sub)numbering needs a good cleanup in ConTeXt (just like math support in general ...). I need to discuss the thing with Hans before being able to fix the thing in amsl and/or nath.
Ok, I think I found what's going wrong.
Actually you did! :) One number per line, great! Thank you. David
Monday, December 8, 2003 David Munger wrote:
Monday, December 8, 2003 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Regarding your problem(s):
* with the ConTeXt version I have (2003.09.26), all lines in the gather are separate. The whole block has a single number, though. This is both with, and without nath.
* formula (sub)numbering needs a good cleanup in ConTeXt (just like math support in general ...). I need to discuss the thing with Hans before being able to fix the thing in amsl and/or nath.
Ok, I think I found what's going wrong.
Actually you did! :) One number per line, great! Thank you.
It is true that each of them is numbered, but there's a problem with referencing (i.e. you cannot reference the equations past the first in the group). I have to implement LaTeXstyle \label and \tag commands for this. But that's something quite complex, and it's going to need a bunch of hooks in the core, so it'll have to wait. And of course subnumbering has to be implemented yet.  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
What version of ConTeXt are you using?
texexec says: ConTeXt ver: 2003.1.31 fmt: 2003.10.4 int: english mes: english I'm using the version included in debian unstable's tetex package.
* formula (sub)numbering needs a good cleanup in ConTeXt (just like math support in general ...). I need to discuss the thing with Hans before being able to fix the thing in amsl and/or nath.
I just started using ConTeXt for writing scientific papers. Before I was aware of the nath module, writing math was tedious. But now, in my opinion, your nath module does the trick pretty well. Thanks for helping, David
Monday, December 8, 2003 David Munger wrote:
What version of ConTeXt are you using?
texexec says: ConTeXt ver: 2003.1.31 fmt: 2003.10.4 int: english mes: english
I'm using the version included in debian unstable's tetex package.
That's pretty old. May I suggest an upgrade? (It wouldn't have fixed the problem, and actually created a couple of new ones, but at least we would have been using the same versions ;))
* formula (sub)numbering needs a good cleanup in ConTeXt (just like math support in general ...). I need to discuss the thing with Hans before being able to fix the thing in amsl and/or nath.
I just started using ConTeXt for writing scientific papers. Before I was aware of the nath module, writing math was tedious. But now, in my opinion, your nath module does the trick pretty well.
Thanks for helping,
Thank you too :)  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Tuesday, December 2, 2003 Boris Hollas wrote:
Hello!
I tried the modules tamsl and tnath. This is what I noticed or have questions about:
1. The bracket for \cases{} is too small when tnath is used, as in this example:
\usemodule[amsl] \usemodule[nath]
\starttext
We denote by \startformula 1_{ij} = \cases{ 1 & if $(i,j) \in \cal E$\cr 0 & else} \stopformula the {\em indicator function} of event $(i,j) \in \cal E$.
\stoptext
Without modules amsl and nath the brackets have correct size, but \cal has no effect.
Ok, I gave a look at this one. I had forgotten to tell you that I wanted to consider the \cases{...} construct obsolete! The 'proper' (i.e. AMSstyle) way to do it would be \startcases 1 & \text{if etc } \cr 0 & \text{otherwise} \stopcases This will work, with or without nath (but of course with amsl). Anyway, since I know how hard it is to get over one's habits :) I updated both the amsl and nath module in such a way that they will now support oldstyle \cases{...} constructs. There are some minor spacing issues involved in the solution I came up with, but that's the best I can do. I uploaded a new ctxmath.zip to CTAN, containing the updated files. If you want to grab the new modules before they get distributed properly, see if you can get it from the UK node. Also note that now nath will automatically load amsl,so you don't need to \usemodule both :)  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Hello Giuseppe, you've done a great work with amsl an nath modules! Seems that there is a little bug when you try to gather more than two formulas: \placeformula \startgather f(x) = x \\ g(x) = x^2 \\ h(x) = x^3 \stopgather When doing so, I end up with the last two equations on the same line, with the same equation number. Thanks! David
Sunday, December 7, 2003 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
I uploaded a new ctxmath.zip to CTAN, containing the updated files. If you want to grab the new modules before they get distributed properly, see if you can get it from the UK node.
Also note that now nath will automatically load amsl,so you don't need to \usemodule both :)
Ok, it's there: === Giuseppe Bilotta writes:
+ what you've uploaded : ctxmath.zip
+ which CTAN node you've uploaded to : UK (ftp.tex.ac.uk)
+ where you want the files to go : the two files contained in the .zip file should be unpacked to texarchive/macros/context/contrib/maths replacing the previous files.
+ what licensing conditions you apply to your software: GNU GPL licence
+ a brief summary of what your upload is intended to do.
The .zip archive contains two ConTeXt modules (tnath.tex and tamsl.tex) that complement the math features in ConTeXt. tamsl provides some environments and commands that most (AMS)LaTeX users expect. tnath provides for ConTeXt the same functionality as provided by the Nath package for LaTeX.
This new upload fixes a couple of bugs concerning 'cases' constructs and some fontrelated issues. Also, the nath module now automatically loads the amsl module so there's no need to manually load both if you need to use nath.
i've installed the files as requested. thanks for the upload. Robin Fairbairns For the CTAN team ===  Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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