Thanks everyone for your responses. That's quite a bit to digest. I'll have a look, read and play around. Thanks again and all the best, Denis

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Alan Braslau via ntg-context Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 03:35 An: Hans Hagen via ntg-context Cc: Alan Braslau Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Float control

On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 00:12:53 +0100 Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

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Hi everyone,

I’ve recently had to typeset a document that gave me some headaches with the floats. The floats where jumping around, appearing in a different order than in the source file, tables ended up split up at weird points, some positioning keys had not the intended effect (e.g. top), «page» moved the float more than seemed necessary for me... I know, TeX’s float positioning algorithm should be rather reliable and stable, and it’s quite possible that I’m messing things up in my setups–especially since my source files are XML.

Anyway, I’d like to learn more about the whole float issue. Is there anything particular I could read to learn more about the whole thing? Maybe I’m missing out on something fundamental... Basically floats are output in order when they fit. You can use force to really do that. When there is no room they will migrate. Some

On 2/28/2023 11:45 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote: options like top and bottom might also change the order. Normally you start with just placing ('here') and see how that works out. Side floats are special and anchored to the text.

The more complex and confliuctign the demands, the harder it gets for ConTeXt to fulfill all requirements. In that case shifting around the text or places where you ask for a float helps. It's one of the areas where 'fully automated and perfect' are complex as everything can interfere.

Btw, Mikael S is working on a tutorial that explains some neat trickery with specific placements (which also triggered some additional features).

A few (important) observations on floats:

\startplacefloat \stopplacefloat triggers a paragraph break.

I therefore locate them always at the beginning or at the end of a paragraph of text. (A trick is to enclose them in a named buffer within a paragraph, typically where a figure call - \in{figure}[figureReference] - is to be located. Then to place the \getbuffer at the beginning or end of a paragraph. See example below.)

The keys location=top/bottom will place the float at the top or bottom of the page IF IT FITS, otherwise it is pushed to the following page. Thus, a bottom can become a top.

The key location=force will place the figure there, perhaps generating a page break if it does not fit.

The key location=page will put the figure on a following page. This situation can sometimes push figures to appear "out of order", if another figure can somehow fit before the figure pushed to the following page. This happens if another floating figure "comes too soon".

The keys location=left and location=right will also generate a page break if the figure does not fit.

In the end, one needs to tweak a document in final form especially if it contains many figures, unfortunately. This is done by moving the \startfigure...\stopfigure. Here, the use of buffers:

Paragraph text ... (see \in{figure}[myfigure]). \startbuffer[myfigure] \startfigure[reference=myfigure, location=top, title=Title] \externalfigure[myfigure][width=\textwidth] \stopfigure \stopbuffer More text ...\par \getbuffer[myfigure]

can make life easier, moving the \getbuffer[myfigure] to an optimal paragraph beginning or end.

Alan

P.S. It might be nice to be able to anchor a figure not to text but to a page location, like location=nexttop or location=nextbottom, or even location={nexttop,right} etc. This gets really complicated (but anything is do- able).

P.P.S. I'm certain to learn some neat trickery from Mikael's tutorial! __________________________________________________________ _________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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