On Apr 13, 2008, at 3:08 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Rory Molinari wrote:

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\startvariables all degree: degree \stopvariables

\c!... commands (keys) are created by \startconstants, \v!... commands (enumerated values) by \startvariables.

So:

\startconstants all degree: degree \stopconstants

you also have a few smaller problems with the definitions like missing \unprotects etc, but the above is the key to getting it working.

Thanks Taco, that was exactly what I needed. Cheers, Rory

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Olivier Guéry wrote:

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Thanks Taco, that was exactly what I needed.

Cheers, Rory

Can you post the good syntax you use, or put it on the wiki ?

What do you mean. What he use use is already on the wiki and he midified it only it only. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Document_Titles#In_ConTeXt:_A_more_advanced_so... Wolfgang

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Olivier Guéry wrote:

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Olivier Guéry wrote:

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Thanks Taco, that was exactly what I needed.

Cheers, Rory

Can you post the good syntax you use, or put it on the wiki ?

What do you mean.

What he use use is already on the wiki and he midified it only it only.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Document_Titles#In_ConTeXt:_A_more_advanced_so...

Sorry I was thinking that there were more differences between the two. Having various example on the wiki can be great, to have idears… for « normal » users like me !

It is easy to add a alternative key to setuptitle to switch between different results. I think the following link is something for you, I could make a module and provide a few title page styles. http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/latex-samples/

But I understand that it's not totally necessary.

Why not, I have nothing against a few predefined title pages layouts. Wolfgang

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Why not, I have nothing against a few predefined title pages layouts.

Somewhat related: it would be nice if there was some common code for titles (books as well as articles). The Maps module currently defines an article in this fashion:

\starttext \startArticle [Title=..., Author=..., RunningAuthor=...] % etc. etc.

\startAbstract ... abstract ... \stopAbstract

\startKeywords ... comma-separated keywords ... \stopKeywords

... body ...

\stopArticle \stoptext

I never thought of them, good to have someone mention this.

Obvious weak point: the Abstract / Keywords are too late to influence typesetting of the title (page). Of course that could be fixed by using named buffers and/or an explicit \maketitle-like command.

Something like: \def\startabstract {\dostartbuffer[abstract][startabstract][stopabstract]} \startsetups titlepage \getbuffer[abstract] \stopsetups \def\starttitlepage {\begingroup \placetitle} \def\stoptitlepage {\setups{titlepage} \endgroup} \setuptitle [author=..., title=...] or \starttitlepage [author=..., title=...] \startabstract ... \stopabstract ... \stoptitlepage

Anyway, the maps module contains all the code to do everything. And the same is true for the TUG module. And for quite a few others I have laying around. Lots of duplicate code all over, so a common framework would be great. I've been meaning to write one for a long time, but somehow I never quite get around to actually doing it.

To many ideas and too less time and motivation :-)

Just saying this to let you know that I would really welcome a module with commands like \setuptitle, \definetitle, and \placetitle.

Greetings Wolfgang

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Why not, I have nothing against a few predefined title pages layouts.

Somewhat related: it would be nice if there was some common code for titles (books as well as articles).

[snip]

Anyway, the maps module contains all the code to do everything. And the same is true for the TUG module. And for quite a few others I have laying around. Lots of duplicate code all over, so a common framework would be great. I've been meaning to write one for a long time, but somehow I never quite get around to actually doing it.

Just saying this to let you know that I would really welcome a module with commands like \setuptitle, \definetitle, and \placetitle.

I agree with that. It will be really nice to have a module that does a few "simple" titles (alternate=(a|b|c), etc.) For one of my personal modules, I was following something along the lines of the maps module. But I find Wolfgang's solution on the wiki to be more ConTeXtish than what all other modules use.

Hi Aditya, could you use a few lines what do you expect from a placetitle/placetitlepage command or a titlepage environment. What should we do with the abstract, did it depend on the document title ... Wolfgang

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

Hi Wolfgang,

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Why not, I have nothing against a few predefined title pages layouts.

Somewhat related: it would be nice if there was some common code for titles (books as well as articles).

[snip]

Anyway, the maps module contains all the code to do everything. And the same is true for the TUG module. And for quite a few others I have laying around. Lots of duplicate code all over, so a common framework would be great. I've been meaning to write one for a long time, but somehow I never quite get around to actually doing it.

Just saying this to let you know that I would really welcome a module with commands like \setuptitle, \definetitle, and \placetitle.

I agree with that. It will be really nice to have a module that does a few "simple" titles (alternate=(a|b|c), etc.) For one of my personal modules, I was following something along the lines of the maps module. But I find Wolfgang's solution on the wiki to be more ConTeXtish than what all other modules use.

Hi Aditya,

could you use a few lines what do you expect from a placetitle/placetitlepage command or a titlepage environment.

Some of the things that I use \placetitle for:

* Writing academic papers. Currenly, I have a macro that I use like this:

\article [title ={...}, author={...}, publication={...},% This just goes to pdf subtitle date={...}, bottom={...}, %text placed at page bottom, %usually current revision number thanks={...}, %placed on the footer of the first page ]

\startabstract ... \stopabstract

\startkeywords .... \stopkeywords

The abstract environment places a head ("Abstract") followed by its content. The formatting depends on whether it is a journal article, or a conference article.

keyword also places a head followed by its content.

Currently, what I have is that \article places all its contents, and so do abstract and keyword. So, I do not have to store anything.

* TUGBoat articles: This uses a style file originally by Hans, which I have modified considerably, but still uses the same interface.

This uses

\setvariables [tugboat] [title={...}, author={...}, address={...}, email={...}, year={...}, volume={..}, number={...}, page={...}]

The title and the author go to the document title. The address and email go at the end of the article. The year, volume, number, and page go to the header and footer of the article.

The rest of the article is somethng like

\starttext \startArticle

\startAbstract .... \stopAbstract ...

\stopArticle \stoptext

This structure is the reason I think something like \setuptitle (or \setupdocumenttitle) is needed.

* Practex journal, which uses

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules/Pracjourn

* My Ways which use

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules/MyWay

* and finally Maps which use

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules/Maps

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Notice that almost all of them so similar things, but in slightly different manner. What I wish for is a common interface, and I really like your idea of \setuptitle. In fact, I think that something like that should be part of the core.

I module should be enogh for the start, makes it easier to test without the need to create a new relase or replace one of the core files and to generate a new format file.

The module does not need to take care of all the formatting requirements: just provide the interface. For a particular publications, the module for that publication can modify the \placetitle command to do what they want. With this, the user documentation can just say that use

\setuptitle[title=...,author=..., date=....] %and maybe setups={...}

So, we will have a consistent user inteferface for all documents.

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What should we do with the abstract, did it depend on the document title ...

In general, the formatting of the abstract will depend on the kind of the document. Just need something like

\definetitlesubstructure% or something more appropriate [abstract] [headtext={Abstract}, headstyle=bold, headcolor=blue, headalign=middle, inbetween=\blank,%between the head and the body style=small, %for the contents color=black, %for the contents ]

I would replace headetext with \setuphead[abstract] and the format for the table of content (is this what do you mean with "for the content") with \setuplist but should abstract use a own command to place the title \definehead[abstract] or can we use one of the predefined ones (title -- new page or subject -- if you need a abstract in different languages on one page).

This should define a command that captures its contents, and provides a command \placetitlesubstructure[abstract].

Similarly, we can define

\definetitlesubstructure [keywords] [....]

Then, \placetitlesubstructure[abstract] and \placetitlesubstracutre[keywords] and go in the after={...} key of \setuptitle.

Can't the abstract just placed after the text has been set with \start/\stopabstract.

As I said before, the module just needs to collect the information, and provide one or two simple styles. Once the information is collected, it is easy to use other keys (e.g. thanks key in my first case) and let the user define a setups that take of how to handle those keys.

Wolfgang