Hoi, how can I produce a ſ (long s) in ConTeXt? Please CC me, as i'm not subscribed. -- Andy
Hi Andy,
You can try following file:
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% engine=xetex
\font\myfont="Vollkorn" at 12pt\myfont
\starttext
ſ
\stoptext
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Every otf/ttf font containing a ſ will work.
Greetings Lutz
13 Nov 2007 10:34:31 +0100, Andreas Hauser
Hoi,
how can I produce a ſ (long s) in ConTeXt?
Please CC me, as i'm not subscribed. -- Andy
lutz.haseloff wrote @ Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:56:44 +0100:
You can try following file: ---------- % engine=xetex \font\myfont="Vollkorn" at 12pt\myfont \starttext ſ \stoptext ----------
Every otf/ttf font containing a ſ will work.
Live i get: http://live.contextgarden.net/output.cgi?id=pOm785 and locally: -------------------------------------8<------------------------------------- ... kpathsea: Running mktexmf Vollkorn ! I can't find file `Vollkorn'. ... ------------------------------------->8------------------------------------- So I guess, I don't have that font locally. Maybe there is a good standard font with many special characters? It would be nice if other people could also easily compile the tex source. Is it generally a superior font for special characters? How do I go about finding a font that contains all my special characters? I have at least ſ (long s), aͤ (a^e SMALL e ABOVE), ʒ etc. Most are from a historical context. And a lot of ligatures. As I understand Mac OS is able to produce arbitrary ligatures. But will this work on a Linux too? I followed Tacos advise and am subscribed now. -- Thanks Andy
Am 2007-11-15 um 11:35 schrieb Andreas Hauser:
How do I go about finding a font that contains all my special characters?
I have at least ſ (long s), aͤ (a^e SMALL e ABOVE), ʒ etc. Most are from a historical context. And a lot of ligatures. As I understand Mac OS is able to produce arbitrary ligatures. But will this work on a Linux too?
That reminds me: I was considering making font packs for some nice freeware gothic fonts. I didn't check yet what characters are contained in which, but I guess ConTeXt would need some logic to enable proper typesetting of blackletter text, e.g. handling s and ſ. Have to look at Yannis' efforts for LaTeX, too. And I guess I must recode these fonts to follow Unicode standards (should be manageable with a fontforge script). Any thoughts on that subject? Did someone already care for proper gothic typesetting with ConTeXt? Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
I didn't check yet what characters are contained in which, but I guess ConTeXt would need some logic to enable proper typesetting of blackletter text, e.g. handling s and ſ. Have to look at Yannis' efforts for LaTeX, too. And I guess I must recode these fonts to follow Unicode standards (should be manageable with a fontforge script).
Do you mean Yannis' yfrac etc.? IIRC, that depends on his special fonts. While browsing, I found this package: http://www.lg.fukuoka-u.ac.jp/~ynagata/khmpackage.html Best wishes, Taco PS "gothic latex" is an interesting search term :-)
Am 2007-11-18 um 10:30 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
I didn't check yet what characters are contained in which, but I guess ConTeXt would need some logic to enable proper typesetting of blackletter text, e.g. handling s and ſ. Have to look at Yannis' efforts for LaTeX, too. And I guess I must recode these fonts to follow Unicode standards (should be manageable with a fontforge script). Do you mean Yannis' yfrac etc.? IIRC, that depends on his special fonts. While browsing, I found this package: http://www.lg.fukuoka-u.ac.jp/~ynagata/khmpackage.html
Thank you. I'm trying to follow the most modern approach: OpenType features - if I manage to put the logic into the font, it's usable also with InDesign. Even if I don't know if ConTeXt (i.e. XeTeX/ LuaTeX) will handle stuff like alternative characters well. At the moment I'm struggling filling the GSUB tables with FontForge... (it's easy *if* you know exactly what you do)
PS "gothic latex" is an interesting search term :-)
I guess one will find more black than letters and more masked than type faces. ;-) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2007-11-18 um 10:30 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
I didn't check yet what characters are contained in which, but I guess ConTeXt would need some logic to enable proper typesetting of blackletter text, e.g. handling s and ſ. Have to look at Yannis' efforts for LaTeX, too. And I guess I must recode these fonts to follow Unicode standards (should be manageable with a fontforge script). Do you mean Yannis' yfrac etc.? IIRC, that depends on his special fonts. While browsing, I found this package: http://www.lg.fukuoka-u.ac.jp/~ynagata/khmpackage.html
Thank you. I'm trying to follow the most modern approach: OpenType features - if I manage to put the logic into the font, it's usable also with InDesign. Even if I don't know if ConTeXt (i.e. XeTeX/ LuaTeX) will handle stuff like alternative characters well. At the moment I'm struggling filling the GSUB tables with FontForge... (it's easy *if* you know exactly what you do)
PS "gothic latex" is an interesting search term :-)
I guess one will find more black than letters and more masked than type faces. ;-)
subs should work ok in luatex you can also define your own (see fea files in distribution) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Andreas Hauser wrote:
How do I go about finding a font that contains all my special characters?
That's the problem, and it depends somewhat on what you are doing. If your text will be historical, you will probably need lots of old ligatures and abbreviation glyphs that may not be available in any current font at all. If you text is descriptive, perhaps you can get by using one of the SIL fonts (or perhaps even something mundane like arial). In both cases, it will be worth the effort to write/email to the editor or publisher of a reference work in the field that _does_ use the correct font, or failing that, to talk to a university that has a large interest in the field you are after. Scholars are generally willing to share such information. Searching on the internet is a madmans' work. Almost all fonts online (whether from big foundries or cheap/free amateur works) are intended for typical uses (i.e. advertisments), so if they contain a long s at all, it will definately not be used by default, and there will be almost certainly no ligatures.
I have at least ſ (long s), aͤ (a^e SMALL e ABOVE), ʒ etc. Most are from a historical context. And a lot of ligatures. As I understand Mac OS is able to produce arbitrary ligatures. But will this work on a Linux too?
It will only work if the ligutares glyphs are present in the font. This is true on linux as well as on osx. Best wishes, Taco
Am 2007-11-18 um 10:02 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
Andreas Hauser wrote:
How do I go about finding a font that contains all my special characters?
That's the problem, and it depends somewhat on what you are doing.
If your text will be historical, you will probably need lots of old ligatures and abbreviation glyphs that may not be available in any current font at all.
I just found the MUFI homepage (Mediaeval Unicode Font Initiative), they seem to target mainly Old Norse: http://www.mufi.info/ From their specs I learned that the combining e and o "accents" are already in the Unicode standard (0364). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Andreas Hauser wrote:
Hoi,
how can I produce a ſ (long s) in ConTeXt?
Do you have a font that has it (most fonts don't)?
Please CC me, as i'm not subscribed.
I strongly suggest you do so. I normally delete all pending messages, since > 99.9 % of them is spam. You got lucky this morning. Best wishes, Taco
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Andreas Hauser
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Andreas Hauser
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Hans Hagen
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Henning Hraban Ramm
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Lutz Haseloff
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Taco Hoekwater