Ahoi Hans! While checking a book after installing the latest beta I recognized again that \dots{} does the wrong. The stops are taken from the *math* font, and that looks very ugly if there's no fitting math font for some text where I don't need any maths. (My text ist in ITC Berkeley, that has very tiny punctuations; CM or TX have rather fat dots.) I'd suggest to take the stops simply from the active text font -- or use the ellipsis character if the font has one. On the subject of spacing: The dots are too wide spread; Acrobat shows 1000 units, I'd suggest about 750 -- and about 500 before the first dot. Or did I misunderstand the whole thing, that I should use some other command for an ellipsis in text mode? Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- www.fiee.net/texnique/ www.ramm.ch/context/
On Sunday 19 January 2003 16:19, Hraban wrote:
Ahoi Hans!
While checking a book after installing the latest beta I recognized again that \dots{} does the wrong.
The stops are taken from the *math* font, and that looks very ugly if there's no fitting math font for some text where I don't need any maths. (My text ist in ITC Berkeley, that has very tiny punctuations; CM or TX have rather fat dots.) I'd suggest to take the stops simply from the active text font -- or use the ellipsis character if the font has one.
On the subject of spacing: The dots are too wide spread; Acrobat shows 1000 units, I'd suggest about 750 -- and about 500 before the first dot.
Or did I misunderstand the whole thing, that I should use some other command for an ellipsis in text mode?
Grüßlis vom Hraban!
I find that the traditional $\ldots$ thingie shows up as just a gray spot in Acrobat. So I devised this self-evident macro: \def\lldots{\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace} This one does not gray out, and does not require math mode. -- John Culleton Able Indexers and Typesetters Rowse Reviews Culleton Editorial Services http://wexfordpress.com
At 10:06 PM 1/19/2003 +0000, you wrote:
I find that the traditional $\ldots$ thingie shows up as just a gray spot in Acrobat. So I devised this self-evident macro:
maybe you should turn 'greek chars below ...' off (i always work on 1200*1600 lcd panels which is great for text) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------
\def\lldots{\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace}
Great! If I say \def\dots{\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace} I don't even have to change all the text. ;-) Another command (beside \setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]) that I'll use in every project to correct an (in my opinion) wrong default behaviour of ConTeXt. Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- www.fiee.net/texnique/ www.ramm.ch/context/
At 08:50 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
\def\lldots{\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace}
Great! If I say \def\dots{\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace.\thinspace} I don't even have to change all the text. ;-)
Another command (beside \setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]) that I'll use in every project to correct an (in my opinion) wrong default behaviour of ConTeXt.
there are a few reasons for that: (1) not all fonts have an italic (2) i don't like the computer modern italic for emphasizing text (3) we seldom used \em You can of course put that line in your local cont-sys.tex file Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another command (beside \setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]) that I'll use in every project to correct an (in my opinion) wrong default behaviour of ConTeXt.
there are a few reasons for that:
I know you have your reasons. And ConTeXt is your development, not mine. But I'm a typographer, and typographers are nit-picking with unimportant matters... ;-) <typographer mode>
(1) not all fonts have an italic
Fonts without italics are no fonts.
(2) i don't like the computer modern italic for emphasizing text
Slanted CM is not better.
(3) we seldom used \em
Do you always use \it, \bf, \sl? Where's your logical markup? ;-) Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- www.fiee.net/texnique/ www.ramm.ch/context/
At 08:50 PM 1/21/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Another command (beside \setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]) that I'll use in every project to correct an (in my opinion) wrong default behaviour of ConTeXt.
there are a few reasons for that:
I know you have your reasons. And ConTeXt is your development, not mine. But I'm a typographer, and typographers are nit-picking with unimportant matters... ;-) <typographer mode>
(1) not all fonts have an italic
Fonts without italics are no fonts.
hm, as far i know, an italic style originally is different font, a kind of mimicking handwriting; if they come with a regular font, i consider it a bonus; also, your definition turns a lot of fonts into no-fonts
(2) i don't like the computer modern italic for emphasizing text
Slanted CM is not better.
well, for our purposes it is al least less distracting than the italic -)
(3) we seldom used \em
Do you always use \it, \bf, \sl? Where's your logical markup?
\definegroupedcommand[important] {\important ...}
<amateurmode/> $smile; Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) not all fonts have an italic Fonts without italics are no fonts. hm, as far i know, an italic style originally is different font, a kind of mimicking handwriting; if they come with a regular font, i consider it a bonus; also, your definition turns a lot of fonts into no-fonts
Yes it does. ;-) And I use lots of no-fonts myself. But if there's no emphasis style then I don't tinker my own. (In my typescripts I map e.g. italics to medium bold, if I use a family with different weights but no italics.)
(3) we seldom used \em Do you always use \it, \bf, \sl? Where's your logical markup? \definegroupedcommand[important] {\important ...}
Ok, didn't thought of such. Is more logical than I'm used to... ;-) And it shows me again that I'm not really able to use TeX/ConTeXt.
<amateurmode/> $smile;
Isn't that an empty entity? And I suppose it should be <amateurmode /> ⌣ (nit-picking again...) Greetlings by a laughing raven! -- www.fiee.net/texnique/ www.ramm.ch/context/
At 11:08 PM 1/22/2003 +0100, Hraban wrote:
<amateurmode/> $smile;
Isn't that an empty entity? And I suppose it should be <amateurmode /> ⌣ (nit-picking again...)
<amateur></amateur> == <amateur/> == <amateur /> although context can be told to treat the last two different than the first one Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------
<amateurmode/> $smile; Isn't that an empty entity? And I suppose it should be <amateurmode /> ⌣ <amateur></amateur> == <amateur/> == <amateur />
I thought an empty entity must have a space before the slash, like usual in XHTML. There you see that I know not too much about XML, so that someone other should write the FAQ definition... ;-) Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- www.fiee.net/texnique/ www.ramm.ch/context/
At 05:19 PM 1/19/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Ahoi Hans!
While checking a book after installing the latest beta I recognized again that \dots{} does the wrong.
The stops are taken from the *math* font, and that looks very ugly if there's no fitting math font for some text where I don't need any maths. (My text ist in ITC Berkeley, that has very tiny punctuations; CM or TX have rather fat dots.) I'd suggest to take the stops simply from the active text font -- or use the ellipsis character if the font has one.
On the subject of spacing: The dots are too wide spread; Acrobat shows 1000 units, I'd suggest about 750 -- and about 500 before the first dot.
Or did I misunderstand the whole thing, that I should use some other command for an ellipsis in text mode?
The next version will provide (1) control over the placeholders (2) language dependent placeholders [limittext=whatever you want] so, there you can hook in \textellipses one can turn them on/off, ignore them, etc. Actually there is a nicer mechanism i.e. maxwidth thingies which automatically limits texts (resulting in left, right, or middle cutoffs) and i gave that one configurable placeholders as well [i mostly use this feature and not the \nomarking \nolist thing) I'll provide more details later Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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