On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 07:52 PM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

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I'm working on an extension of tooltips (see attached file) whose primary goal is for use "instead of" footnotes in interactive documents.

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Suggestions for improvements are more than welcome

I really would like to see this feature as part of the core: \setupfootnotes[...,location=tooltip,...]

This way one can use the normal \footnote command for a print and interactive version of a document.

I agree. I was thinking about this issue recently with HTML (why bother putting footnote/endnote text at the end of a page when you can put it in a tooltip?). It might (?) be worthwhile to also have an option for tooltip display of bibliographic references as well... Bruce

On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:04:10 +0200 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

Friday, October 18, 2002 Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

JUM> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:06:12 +0200 JUM> Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

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Hello,

I'm working on an extension of tooltips (see attached file) whose primary goal is for use "instead of" footnotes in interactive documents.

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Suggestions for improvements are more than welcome

JUM> I really would like to see this feature as part of the core: JUM> \setupfootnotes[...,location=tooltip,...]

JUM> This way one can use the normal \footnote command for a print JUM> and interactive version of a document.

There are at least three things that need to be done to add this to the core in a fully ConTeXtish way:

(1) add frame classes

if you mean something like \defineframed[<name>] \setupframed[<name>][...] \<name>{..text..} then i think this on the wish list of many ConteXt users. Commands that currently support framed-parameters could then support a parameter framedclass=<name>

(2) add tooltip classes

in the other mail-thread we agree that for tooltips the whole word should be an active area. IMO, this is not the best solution. If we can use tooltips for footnotes or bib-entries in the future, those elements will show a mark/symbol in the text, but for normal tooltips the problem is that nothing shows the reader of the document that there is a tooltip available. I think it is not a common practice to read a document and scan constantly the words with the pointing device. Thus, there should be also for normal tooltips a symbol or something else that indicates the tooltip. Best, Jens

At 02:31 PM 10/19/2002 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

Saturday, October 19, 2002 Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

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(1) add frame classes

JUM> if you mean something like JUM> \defineframed[<name>] JUM> \setupframed[<name>][...] JUM> \<name>{..text..}

JUM> then i think this on the wish list of many ConteXt users. JUM> Commands that currently support framed-parameters could then JUM> support a parameter framedclass=<name>

That's exactly what I mean.

ah, and i thought that you were reading sources -) but you've missed this one: there is actually something \defineframed already, also for local purposes there are \presetlocalframed and \localframed used all around context Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:51:21 +0200 Hans Hagen wrote:

At 02:31 PM 10/19/2002 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

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(1) add frame classes

JUM> if you mean something like JUM> \defineframed[<name>] JUM> \setupframed[<name>][...] JUM> \<name>{..text..}

JUM> then i think this on the wish list of many ConteXt users. JUM> Commands that currently support framed-parameters could then JUM> support a parameter framedclass=<name>

That's exactly what I mean.

ah, and i thought that you were reading sources -) but you've missed this one: there is actually something \defineframed already, also for local purposes there are \presetlocalframed and \localframed used all around context

Giuseppe has the advantage to be able to read the sources, but not me. Can you please give a short summary about how the macros you mentioned can be used. I've tried the interface: \defineframed[<name>] \setupframed[<name>][...] \<name>{..text..} but besides \defineframed it is not working. Thanks. Jens

The \setupframed doesnt work precisely this way. Here is a 'real life' example: \defineframed[warning] [background=color, backgroundcolor=red, frame=on] \setupcolors[state=start] \starttext \warning{Look out!} \stoptext On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:46:58 +0200, Jens-Uwe wrote:

Giuseppe has the advantage to be able to read the sources, but not me. Can you please give a short summary about how the macros you mentioned can be used. I've tried the interface: \defineframed[<name>] \setupframed[<name>][...] \<name>{..text..}

but besides \defineframed it is not working.

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