Since I need to typeset some names with characters outside of ec encoding, I'm just checking out XeTeX. - first threshold: If you have \setupoutput[pdftex] in cont-sys.tex, it doesn't work. ;-) (Complains "you should use pdftex binaries".) - second threshold: Adapt your typescripts. Since I use TeX Gyre anyway, that was no problem. (Is there still no complete type-gyr.tex in the distribution? I couldn't find it.) - third threshold (standing there): XeTeX can't read tagged PDFs. For I typeset proceedings, I must include a lot of pages from presentation PDFs. And even if I'd call myself a PDF professional, I didn't find a way to delete all tags from a PDF. I could convert everything to EPS or even render the pages in Photoshop. But I'd prefer to stay with the PDFs. Any ideas? Tomorrow I'll try to use an additional PostScript font - is that even possible? Otherwise I must convert it to OpenType. Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:36:23 -0600, Henning Hraban Ramm
Since I need to typeset some names with characters outside of ec encoding, I'm just checking out XeTeX.
why not luatex? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Am 2008-04-05 um 23:58 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid:
Since I need to typeset some names with characters outside of ec encoding, I'm just checking out XeTeX.
why not luatex?
Because I don't like to recompile my binaries all the time. Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Am 2008-04-06 um 14:24 schrieb Martin Schröder:
why not luatex? Because I don't like to recompile my binaries all the time. So use debian. :-) Norbert provides up-to-date luatex packages.
Debian installs not so good on a PPC Mac and doesn't run my expensive Adobe apps ;-) (And I doubt if Norbert provides Linux PPC binaries...) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Debian installs not so good on a PPC Mac and doesn't run my expensive Adobe apps ;-) (And I doubt if Norbert provides Linux PPC binaries...)
Debian installs very well on a PPC mac, and Norbert provides PPC binaries (which I compiled for him). Thomas
Am 2008-04-06 um 15:28 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:
Debian installs not so good on a PPC Mac and doesn't run my expensive Adobe apps ;-) (And I doubt if Norbert provides Linux PPC binaries...)
Debian installs very well on a PPC mac, and Norbert provides PPC binaries (which I compiled for him).
Okay, then I'll stay on OSX without any good reason. My previous Mac was dual-boot OS8/9 and Linux (otherwise I wouldn't have been able to use ConTeXt in 1999, it didn't work with OzTeX or CMacTeX), at last with Mac-on-Linux, but I'm glad I got a decent Unix with a good GUI without the need to switch anything ;-) Maybe I'll try Linux with Bootcamp with my next one (somewhen this summer). May it be possible we got a bit off-topic here? Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2008-04-05 um 23:58 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid:
Since I need to typeset some names with characters outside of ec encoding, I'm just checking out XeTeX.
why not luatex?
Because I don't like to recompile my binaries all the time.
You have them on http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/luatex/ as well. Mojca
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Since I need to typeset some names with characters outside of ec encoding, I'm just checking out XeTeX.
- first threshold: If you have \setupoutput[pdftex] in cont-sys.tex, it doesn't work. ;-) (Complains "you should use pdftex binaries".)
Since texmfstart era, pdf is the default output format anyway, so you really need to try hard to produce dvi. Simply remove \setupoutput[pdftex] (why do you need it there?)
- second threshold: Adapt your typescripts. Since I use TeX Gyre anyway, that was no problem. (Is there still no complete type-gyr.tex in the distribution? I couldn't find it.)
TeX Gyre typescripts are loaded by default when you use XeTeX or LuaTeX. See type-otf.tex
- third threshold (standing there): XeTeX can't read tagged PDFs. For I typeset proceedings, I must include a lot of pages from presentation PDFs. And even if I'd call myself a PDF professional, I didn't find a way to delete all tags from a PDF.
Did you try to convert the PDF to 1.4 (with Adobe Professional for example)? Else you need to ask on the XeTeX mailing list. (But indeed: why not trying out LuaTeX?)
Tomorrow I'll try to use an additional PostScript font - is that even possible? Otherwise I must convert it to OpenType.
It is, but which OS and what kind of PostScript font are you using? Mac type of PostScript fonts doesn't work (or better: it only works with xdv2pdf, which isn't supported in ConTeXt any more). You can use the "windows type" Type1 fonts (i.e. just the normal .pfb files). That should work on any system, but on Mac you need to reference it by filename. Font name won't work. Mojca
Am 2008-04-06 um 04:35 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Since I need to typeset some names with characters outside of ec encoding, I'm just checking out XeTeX.
- first threshold: If you have \setupoutput[pdftex] in cont-sys.tex, it doesn't work. ;-) (Complains "you should use pdftex binaries".)
Since texmfstart era, pdf is the default output format anyway, so you really need to try hard to produce dvi. Simply remove \setupoutput[pdftex] (why do you need it there?)
Seems I don't need it - I just don't change my cont-sys.tex as long as I don't run into trouble. Since I use ConTeXt since 1999 now, there may be some unneeded settings. ;-) But in that days (at least before XeTeX/luaTeX) it wasn't so easy to find a working configuration.
- second threshold: Adapt your typescripts. Since I use TeX Gyre anyway, that was no problem. (Is there still no complete type-gyr.tex in the distribution? I couldn't find it.)
TeX Gyre typescripts are loaded by default when you use XeTeX or LuaTeX. See type-otf.tex
- third threshold (standing there): XeTeX can't read tagged PDFs. For I typeset proceedings, I must include a lot of pages from presentation PDFs. And even if I'd call myself a PDF professional, I didn't find a way to delete all tags from a PDF.
Did you try to convert the PDF to 1.4 (with Adobe Professional for example)?
Yes, even 1.3. Tried optimizing (that *should* delete all unnecessary cruft). It seems possible to delete tags with one of the TouchUp tools, but the PDF stays "tagged" anyway.
Else you need to ask on the XeTeX mailing list. (But indeed: why not trying out LuaTeX?)
I'm too lazy to recompile my binaries all the time; my old Mac is rather slow...
Tomorrow I'll try to use an additional PostScript font - is that even possible? Otherwise I must convert it to OpenType.
It is, but which OS and what kind of PostScript font are you using? Mac type of PostScript fonts doesn't work (or better: it only works with xdv2pdf, which isn't supported in ConTeXt any more). You can use the "windows type" Type1 fonts (i.e. just the normal .pfb files). That should work on any system, but on Mac you need to reference it by filename. Font name won't work.
Ok, thanks. I guess I could have found out on my own, but was too tired yesterday... I knew that resource fork fonts don't work. But I installed all necessary fonts for pdfTeX anyway. Lots of them, back in 2004/2005, see my typescripts collection: http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-4&lang=en BTW: I'd love to come to the gathering in Slovenija, but I must typeset my main project (a monthly city magazine) at that time. Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Else you need to ask on the XeTeX mailing list. (But indeed: why not trying out LuaTeX?)
I'm too lazy to recompile my binaries all the time; my old Mac is rather slow...
That's why the "minimal distribution" (minimals.contextgarden.net) has been created. A single command should update everything.
Tomorrow I'll try to use an additional PostScript font - is that even possible? Otherwise I must convert it to OpenType.
It is, but which OS and what kind of PostScript font are you using? Mac type of PostScript fonts doesn't work (or better: it only works with xdv2pdf, which isn't supported in ConTeXt any more). You can use the "windows type" Type1 fonts (i.e. just the normal .pfb files). That should work on any system, but on Mac you need to reference it by filename. Font name won't work.
Ok, thanks. I guess I could have found out on my own, but was too tired yesterday... I knew that resource fork fonts don't work.
Conditionally they do, but there are too many problems - it really doesn't pay out to try to use them.
But I installed all necessary fonts for pdfTeX anyway. Lots of them, back in 2004/2005, see my typescripts collection: http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-4&lang=en
Those should work, I guess. Not when called by name, but calling them by filename should be no problem.
BTW: I'd love to come to the gathering in Slovenija, but I must typeset my main project (a monthly city magazine) at that time.
But that's a remote job, right? ;-) (We will have internet connection there :) Besides that - BachoTeX might be interesting to visit as well. Mojca
Am 2008-04-07 um 00:53 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
Else you need to ask on the XeTeX mailing list. (But indeed: why not trying out LuaTeX?) I'm too lazy to recompile my binaries all the time; my old Mac is rather slow... That's why the "minimal distribution" (minimals.contextgarden.net) has been created. A single command should update everything.
ok, ok, I'll try luaTeX. But not just now.
But I installed all necessary fonts for pdfTeX anyway. Lots of them, back in 2004/2005, see my typescripts collection: http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-4&lang=en Those should work, I guess. Not when called by name, but calling them by filename should be no problem.
Yes, seems to work. (see other thread) I guess I'll re-publish my typescripts as soon as I'm actively using luaTeX - and as soon as I relaunch my website on Django (planning that for some months now...)
BTW: I'd love to come to the gathering in Slovenija, but I must typeset my main project (a monthly city magazine) at that time. But that's a remote job, right? ;-) (We will have internet connection there :)
Unfortunately I can't do it on my own, need help from two colleagues to do it in time. Besides working full-time on that myself. And sending tons of images back and forth through any internet connection is no fun.
Besides that - BachoTeX might be interesting to visit as well.
Of course. And PostNuke meeting, Django sprint, PyCon, DANTE, EUU Retreats, some courses & festivals and a lot more that I can't join this year... Only visiting DRUPA (printing fair). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
I guess I'll re-publish my typescripts as soon as I'm actively using luaTeX - and as soon as I relaunch my website on Django (planning that for some months now...) What about Plone ?
this year... Only visiting DRUPA (printing fair). Maybe I will there too. Let's stay in tune.
-- luigi it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org
2008/4/8, luigi scarso
I guess I'll re-publish my typescripts as soon as I'm actively using luaTeX - and as soon as I relaunch my website on Django (planning that for some months now...) What about Plone ?
I only need a lean framework, not an excessive application server.
this year... Only visiting DRUPA (printing fair). Maybe I will there too. Let's stay in tune.
Probably I'll go 6.-8. june, i.e. most of our printshop team will go together with campers... Further OT discussion better off-list... Greetlings, Hraban
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Henning Hraban Ramm -
Idris Samawi Hamid -
luigi scarso -
Martin Schröder -
Mojca Miklavec -
Thomas A. Schmitz