Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8
Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
After playing a bit with minimal examples I think the "bug" has to do with the project structure. Here comes a very minimal example that *still* runs 8 times under Mac (2 times under Win)! Why?
Given a main TEST.tex file and besides that a PARTS folder containing the files ONE.tex and TWO.tex :
TEST.tex \startproject TEST \startfrontmatter \component PARTS/ONE.tex \component PARTS/TWO.tex \stopfrontmatter \stopproject
ONE.tex \startcomponent ONE text \stopcomponent
TWO.tex \startcomponent TWO text \stopcomponent
this runs normal here; (but your big zip didn't as mentioned in a previous mail)
Hans
How many runs do you have under Mac OS X? And what is your setup for Mac: Gerben's tex.ii2 plus your recent cont-tmf.zip? Steffen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
How many runs do you have under Mac OS X?
dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Hans, Steffen and all the others involved,
dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions
I have tried your small file (the one you have sent me) an a vanilla tetex 3.0 and an older texlive (I had to dig out my iBook -- anybody wants to buy a used iBook?) and both were two runs. I do not use Gerben's tex, so we cannot really compare the results. Patrick (sorry for not reading this earlier) -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net
Hello again,
I have tried your small file (the one you have sent me) an a vanilla tetex 3.0 and an older texlive (I had to dig out my iBook -- anybody wants to buy a used iBook?) and both were two runs.
Ah, not so fast, Patrick. I can reproduce your problem: $ ls -lR .: total 4 drwxr-xr-x 4 pg pg 136 Mar 2 20:27 PARTS -rw-r--r-- 1 pg pg 117 Mar 2 20:28 TEST.tex ./PARTS: total 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 pg pg 40 Mar 2 20:27 ONE.tex -rw-r--r-- 1 pg pg 40 Mar 2 20:27 TWO.tex (so setup is TEST.tex in all capitals and ONE.tex and TWO.tex in subdir, tetex 3.0). Now I run texexec --pdf test.tex (lowercase test.tex !) and I get: [...] utility file analysis : another run needed TeX run : 8 [...] Note that the standard OS X filesystem is case preserving, but not case sensitive when accessing a file. So accessing test.tex would be happy with a file called TEST.tex. It is possible to create a pure case sensitive HFS+ filesystem, but it isn't necessary to reproduce the problem. (It would probably avoid it, though). Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
I have tried your small file (the one you have sent me) an a vanilla tetex 3.0 and an older texlive (I had to dig out my iBook -- anybody wants to buy a used iBook?) and both were two runs.
Ah, not so fast, Patrick. I can reproduce your problem:
$ ls -lR .: total 4 drwxr-xr-x 4 pg pg 136 Mar 2 20:27 PARTS -rw-r--r-- 1 pg pg 117 Mar 2 20:28 TEST.tex
./PARTS: total 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 pg pg 40 Mar 2 20:27 ONE.tex -rw-r--r-- 1 pg pg 40 Mar 2 20:27 TWO.tex
(so setup is TEST.tex in all capitals and ONE.tex and TWO.tex in subdir, tetex 3.0). Now I run
texexec --pdf test.tex
(lowercase test.tex !)
and I get:
[...]
utility file analysis : another run needed TeX run : 8
[...]
Note that the standard OS X filesystem is case preserving, but not case sensitive when accessing a file. So accessing test.tex would be happy with a file called TEST.tex. It is possible to create a pure case sensitive HFS+ filesystem, but it isn't necessary to reproduce the problem. (It would probably avoid it, though).
ah, i explicitly tried both lower and uppercase variants of the sample files, but windows does not care, i.e. all access deep down in the system is (afaik) cap. So i saw no difference here. so, what do you recomend, renaming the file to lowercase? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Hans, [...]
ah, i explicitly tried both lower and uppercase variants of the sample files, but windows does not care, i.e. all access deep down in the system is (afaik) cap. So i saw no difference here.
so, what do you recomend, renaming the file to lowercase?
Well, my mail was sent too soon. The problems also arises without the uppercase variant. So currently I doubt that it has to do with the naming alone. Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net
Patrick Gundlach said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:46:05 +0100:
dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions
I can't add much to this discussion, other than I get 1 < n < 9 runs with Steffen's minimal test case as well. I'm running Hans's minimal distro and the latest alpha. (On my new Mac mini. :) [And boy, it sure is faster than the setup I had on my PowerBook!] -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Adam Lindsay wrote:
Patrick Gundlach said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:46:05 +0100:
dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions
I can't add much to this discussion, other than I get 1 < n < 9 runs with Steffen's minimal test case as well. I'm running Hans's minimal distro and the latest alpha. (On my new Mac mini. :)
[And boy, it sure is faster than the setup I had on my PowerBook!]
if it runs ok on your old box ... is it related to the version of perl? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hans Hagen said this at Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:38:11 +0100:
[And boy, it sure is faster than the setup I had on my PowerBook!]
if it runs ok on your old box ... is it related to the version of perl?
Old box is in for repair--can't test it. :/ It was a slower processor, with heavier TeX trees, and a full (fragmented disk)--no real surprise that a virgin setup on a new machine is nicer. Anyway, on both machines, Perl is stock 5.8.1-RC3, nothing modified from what Apple ships with the current OS. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Hello Adam, [...]
[And boy, it sure is faster than the setup I had on my PowerBook!]
Don't say that ;-). I just got a new PowerBook. Patrick (and happy with it) -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net
Patrick Gundlach said this at Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:05:15 +0100:
[And boy, it sure is faster than the setup I had on my PowerBook!]
Don't say that ;-). I just got a new PowerBook.
My _two-year-old_ 12" PowerBook. The Mac mini'd be just a shade slower than the current (very attractive) generation of PBs. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
How many runs do you have under Mac OS X?
ps. it's on my agenda to have a mini mac with decent keyboard on my desk (instead of the cumbersome 17 inch laptop) sharing the large display i use on my workhorse laptop; at that time i'll also sync the mac versions of context Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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