Hi, I use the package "selnoligs.sty" in LuaLaTeX to selectively suppress ligatures.
From the selnolig package description:
"The selnolig package suppresses typographic ligatures selectively, i.e., based on predefined search patterns. The search patterns focus on ligatures deemed inappropriate because they span morpheme boundaries. For example, the word shelfful, which is mentioned in the TEXbook as a word for which the ff ligature might be inappropriate, is automatically typeset as shelfful rather than as shelfful." This works with LuaLaTeX: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage[ngerman]{selnolig} \begin{document} Auflage (no ligature) Abfluss (ligature) Auffahrt (no ligature) Schiffe (ligature) \end{document} How can I achieve the same in ConTeXt? This does not work: \mainlanguage[de] \starttext \language[de] Auflage Abfluss Auffahrt Schiffe \stoptext TIA juh
Hi, I want to follow up on my own message below. I got the hint offlist that it should not be too difficult to convert a LaTeX package into a ConTeXt module. So I guess that there is no built-in functionality of semantical switching between ligatures and normal characters. I am not a typographer – maybe I am wrong – but I don't like ligatures in the wrong places. Inserting ligature stoppers by hand is a tedious work. The latex package selnoligs was beneficial to me when I made a book with more than 1000 pages, where I would never managed to stop ligatures by hand. So what is your opinion about such a feature? juh Am 30.07.2015 um 15:10 schrieb juh:
Hi,
I use the package "selnoligs.sty" in LuaLaTeX to selectively suppress ligatures.
From the selnolig package description:
"The selnolig package suppresses typographic ligatures selectively, i.e., based on predefined search patterns. The search patterns focus on ligatures deemed inappropriate because they span morpheme boundaries. For example, the word shelfful, which is mentioned in the TEXbook as a word for which the ff ligature might be inappropriate, is automatically typeset as shelfful rather than as shelfful."
This works with LuaLaTeX:
\documentclass{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage[ngerman]{selnolig}
\begin{document}
Auflage (no ligature)
Abfluss (ligature)
Auffahrt (no ligature)
Schiffe (ligature)
\end{document}
How can I achieve the same in ConTeXt?
This does not work:
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext \language[de]
Auflage
Abfluss
Auffahrt
Schiffe
\stoptext
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On 8/11/2015 8:25 AM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:
Hi,
I want to follow up on my own message below.
I got the hint offlist that it should not be too difficult to convert a LaTeX package into a ConTeXt module.
I don't know but it would probably be a bit alien approach in the context code base
So I guess that there is no built-in functionality of semantical switching between ligatures and normal characters.
The official way to do this is: \starttext shel\noligature{ff}ul \stoptext which also preserves hyphenation and kerning as well as other tricky features that a font provides. The best place to incorporate such a feature is in the hyphenator but I have no time now to do that. So, instead I added a few lines to an existing (probably unknown) mechanism: \replaceword[more][shelfful] [shel{ff}ul] \replaceword[more][shifffahrt][shi{ff}fahrt] \starttext shel\noligature{ff}ul \setreplacements[more] shelfful \stoptext The downside of the 10 line extension is that it's not the most efficient implementation but probably still fast enough.
I am not a typographer – maybe I am wrong – but I don't like ligatures in the wrong places. Inserting ligature stoppers by hand is a tedious work.
I don't like ligatures in most places (why only the few famous ones ... a bit imposed tradition limited to old constraints)
The latex package selnoligs was beneficial to me when I made a book with more than 1000 pages, where I would never managed to stop ligatures by hand.
So what is your opinion about such a feature?
You can probably make a list of special words and adding that to a module is no big deal. I have no time to look into what is around and do that myself. I uploaded a beta. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Hans, thank you very much for this quick fix. I'll have to switch to the beta branch to try it out. At least I can now suppress ligatures with a replacement list, which is enough for now. As far as I understood selnoligs works with regular expressions (black magic!). It is very time consuming, but CPU time is cheap. ;-) Thanks a lot and a nice sunny day. juh Am 11.08.15 um 10:19 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 8/11/2015 8:25 AM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:
Hi,
I want to follow up on my own message below.
I got the hint offlist that it should not be too difficult to convert a LaTeX package into a ConTeXt module.
I don't know but it would probably be a bit alien approach in the context code base
So I guess that there is no built-in functionality of semantical switching between ligatures and normal characters.
The official way to do this is:
\starttext shel\noligature{ff}ul \stoptext
which also preserves hyphenation and kerning as well as other tricky features that a font provides.
The best place to incorporate such a feature is in the hyphenator but I have no time now to do that. So, instead I added a few lines to an existing (probably unknown) mechanism:
\replaceword[more][shelfful] [shel{ff}ul] \replaceword[more][shifffahrt][shi{ff}fahrt]
\starttext shel\noligature{ff}ul
\setreplacements[more]
shelfful \stoptext
The downside of the 10 line extension is that it's not the most efficient implementation but probably still fast enough.
I am not a typographer – maybe I am wrong – but I don't like ligatures in the wrong places. Inserting ligature stoppers by hand is a tedious work.
I don't like ligatures in most places (why only the few famous ones ... a bit imposed tradition limited to old constraints)
The latex package selnoligs was beneficial to me when I made a book with more than 1000 pages, where I would never managed to stop ligatures by hand.
So what is your opinion about such a feature?
You can probably make a list of special words and adding that to a module is no big deal. I have no time to look into what is around and do that myself.
I uploaded a beta.
Hans
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On 8/11/2015 11:12 AM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:
As far as I understood selnoligs works with regular expressions (black magic!). It is very time consuming, but CPU time is cheap. ;-)
sure but life is still short so i prefer less runtime over cheap runtime Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Am 11.08.2015 um 11:46 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 8/11/2015 11:12 AM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:
As far as I understood selnoligs works with regular expressions (black magic!). It is very time consuming, but CPU time is cheap. ;-)
sure but life is still short so i prefer less runtime over cheap runtime
Absolutely right: LuaLaTeX run with selnoligs: real 18m39.101s user 18m40.335s sys 0m1.624s LuaLaTeX run without selnoligs: real 11m50.577s user 11m51.438s sys 0m1.783s But as I used pandoc in this project I had no chance to correct the ligatures by hand. And if I had I would have needed seven days instead of seven minutes more runtime. But I am offtopic. Thanks again for the solution. juh
On 8/11/2015 12:41 PM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:
Am 11.08.2015 um 11:46 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 8/11/2015 11:12 AM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:
As far as I understood selnoligs works with regular expressions (black magic!). It is very time consuming, but CPU time is cheap. ;-)
sure but life is still short so i prefer less runtime over cheap runtime
Absolutely right:
LuaLaTeX run with selnoligs:
real 18m39.101s user 18m40.335s sys 0m1.624s
LuaLaTeX run without selnoligs:
real 11m50.577s user 11m51.438s sys 0m1.783s
But as I used pandoc in this project I had no chance to correct the ligatures by hand. And if I had I would have needed seven days instead of seven minutes more runtime.
a couple of times 7 minutes i guess -)
But I am offtopic.
Whatever. In Context it's not that slow. In a worst case your 1000 pages are text only which takes 17.91 sec without and 18.95 sec with suppression enabled (0.14 s loop overhead), so some 5% extra runtime. \replaceword[more][slffl][sl{ff}l] \replaceword[more][slfful][sl{ff}ul] \replaceword[more][shlfful][shl{ff}ul] \replaceword[more][shelfful][shel{ff}ul] \startbuffer \testfeatureonce{100}{ \dorecurse{10} { test 1 test 2 test 3 test 4 test 5 shelfful test 6 test 7 test 8 test 9 test 0 } \par } \stopbuffer \starttext \getbuffer \page \setreplacements[more] \getbuffer \stoptext Btw, a 11 minutes baseline sounds like a lot to me.
Thanks again for the solution.
juh
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Hans, it works for me, thank you! Am 11.08.2015 um 13:22 schrieb Hans Hagen:
Btw, a 11 minutes baseline sounds like a lot to me.
Yes indeed, xelatex and pdflatex from the same distribution are faster. I only use lualatex because it is needed for selnoligs. Generally I used pdflatex or xelatex. But it looks like I am going to skip to ConTeXt anyway. ;-) juh -- Das ZEN von Pandoc Bücher und E-Books einfach und professionell produzieren http://www.amazon.de/Das-ZEN-von-Pandoc-professionell/dp/1505218799/ Paperback (232 Seiten) und E-Book
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