Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
(/home/diego/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-xtx.tex) ! Font \*map7ptrmscss*:=CharterBT-SmallCap at 6.64998pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or installed font not found.
That's because of
\definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman [name:CharterBT-Roman] % or: [bchr8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Italic] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Bold] [name:CharterBT-Bold] % or: [bchb8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldItalic] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Slanted] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldSlanted] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
The fonts are on http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/charter/ and I can add them, but there is still one problem.
Since fonts are defined this way, you would need to configure fc-config to look for fonts in that directory in order to find the font. Or one would need to change the definition.
Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if name:CharterBT-Roman was changed into file:bchr8a ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
Now that I'm looking at it again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
What about adding http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments? Suggestions? Mojca
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
Now that I'm looking at it again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
What about adding http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments? Suggestions?
Good thinking! /me agrees heartily Taco
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Mojca Miklavec
(/home/diego/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-xtx.tex) ! Font \*map7ptrmscss*:=CharterBT-SmallCap at 6.64998pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or installed font not found.
That's because of
\definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman [name:CharterBT-Roman] % or: [bchr8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Italic] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Bold] [name:CharterBT-Bold] % or: [bchb8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldItalic] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Slanted] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldSlanted] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a] \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no smallcaps and the style is only commercial available
The fonts are on http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/charter/ and I can add them, but there is still one problem.
Since fonts are defined this way, you would need to configure fc-config to look for fonts in that directory in order to find the font. Or one would need to change the definition.
Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if name:CharterBT-Roman was changed into file:bchr8a ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
Now that I'm looking at it again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
What about adding http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments? Suggestions?
The fonts include more characters but come without any kerning information. Wolfgang
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
Now that I'm looking at it again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL. What about adding http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments? Suggestions?
The fonts include more characters but come without any kerning information.
The kerning of Bitstream Charter is so dodgy that this is not a big loss. Best wishes, Taco
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Taco Hoekwater
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
Now that I'm looking at it again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL. What about adding http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments? Suggestions?
The fonts include more characters but come without any kerning information.
The kerning of Bitstream Charter is so dodgy that this is not a big loss.
I have no problem if this is so. I encountered another problem in my own typescripts for Charis SIL, I could use the bold style when I use the file name but not for the font name. Try this: \starttypescript [serif] [charissil] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [CharisSIL-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [CharisSIL-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [CharisSIL-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [CharisSIL-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [serif] [charissil] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Regular] [file:CharisSILR] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Italic] [file:CharisSILI] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Bold] [file:CharisSILB] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-BoldItalic] [file:CharisSILBI] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [charissil] \definetypeface [charissil] [rm] [serif] [charissil] [default] \stoptypescript \usetypescript[charissil] \setupbodyfont[charissil] \starttext \tf Text \it Text \bf Text \bi Text \stoptext I get all four style in the output but when I use the font name in the definition the normal bold style is replace by the bolditalic style. \starttypescript [serif] [charissil] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Regular] [name:Charis SIL] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Italic] [name:Charis SIL Italic] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Bold] [name:Charis SIL Bold] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-BoldItalic] [name:Charis SIL Bold Italic] [features=default] \stoptypescript Wolfgang
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
\definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no smallcaps and the style is only commercial available
ok, remapped
Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if name:CharterBT-Roman was changed into file:bchr8a ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
indeed Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
\definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no smallcaps and the style is only commercial available
ok, remapped
Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if name:CharterBT-Roman was changed into file:bchr8a ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
indeed
In that case: it would be much more XeTeX-friendly if filename can be provided, since XeTeX is not able to search for font names in TeX trees unless fontconfig is specifically configured that way. Thanks, Mojca
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
\definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a] The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no smallcaps and the style is only commercial available ok, remapped
Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if name:CharterBT-Roman was changed into file:bchr8a ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking. There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago. indeed
In that case: it would be much more XeTeX-friendly if filename can be provided, since XeTeX is not able to search for font names in TeX trees unless fontconfig is specifically configured that way.
maybe for those extra fonts provide a special definition file for xetex then; at the top of the normal file we can do a check for xetex and then load another file (it all depends on the quality of the filenames and font filenames are often obscure and/or inconsistent) anyhow, i suppose that this kind of definitions have to go in type-sil.tex or so; in that case maybe we also need to define the other sil fonts there Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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