At 20:34 04/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:

% interface=en output=pdftex \starttext

\showmakeup \showstruts

\setuphead[section][textcommand=\framed,before=] \hbox{\framed[width=5cm,height=5cm,align={middle,high},offset=none]%,strut=no] {\section{Hello} why is there so much space above the word hello??}} \stoptext

Hello Patrick,

this one works for me (strut=no is an alternative). You should give 'Visual Debugging in TeX' (art-visi.pdf) a try. It's pure gold to get control of the hole layout ;)

if you wanna see some more: \showbaselinecorrection \showgridsnapping \showstruts \showgrid \showbreaks \tracegridsnappingtrue \tracepositionstrue \tracelayerstrue \tracecolumnsettrue \tracesidefloatstrue \traceboxplacementtrue for much more tracing, grep on show and trace -) Hans PS. I bet that context is one of the first apps that uses acrobat layers in some fashion: \showlayoutcomponents ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Peter Rolf writes: Hello Peter, thanks for the answer, I was actually using the visual debugger, but I wasn't able to tell what the small sqare was for. So one other question: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \showmakeup \starttext \setuphead[section][textcommand=\framed,before=] \hbox{\framed[width=5cm,height=5cm,align={middle,high},offset=0pt]{% offset=0pt hp\section{Hello} why is there so much space above the word hello??} \framed[width=5cm,height=5cm,align={middle,high},offset=none]{% offset=none hp\section{Hello} why is there so much space above the word hello??}} \stoptext %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% what is the difference between offset=0pt and offset=none? I thought that it would only insert a strut, but then again I thought that a strut has the height and the depth of the font. This is clearly not the case here, since the f (or h) should be the highest char and p pretty deep. But compared to the right example there is some space above the f and below the p. Patrick