What support is there for IPA/TIPA in Context at this point? I've had a look through the mailing list archive and the last comment I saw about it was from the first half of 2004. Has anyone done more hacking on this?
Jason -- Jason Knight Systems-Analyst-at-large "They fix 'em, I break 'em. Thus, analysis."
Hi Jason,
Jason Knight wrote:
What support is there for IPA/TIPA in Context at this point? I've had
I think the answer is zero or nearly zero. If you have a bit of patience, I can do a port of tipa.sty (quite easy), but it will take some time before I can start on it.
Cheers,
Taco
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hi Jason,
Jason Knight wrote:
What support is there for IPA/TIPA in Context at this point? I've had
I think the answer is zero or nearly zero. If you have a bit of patience, I can do a port of tipa.sty (quite easy), but it will take some time before I can start on it.
in the process taco and i can discuss low level support issues as well; it's all a matter of demand and time; of course after a port, taco would mildly force you to write an article for the MAPS -)
Hans
Hans Hagen wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hi Jason,
Jason Knight wrote:
What support is there for IPA/TIPA in Context at this point? I've had
I think the answer is zero or nearly zero. If you have a bit of patience, I can do a port of tipa.sty (quite easy), but it will take some time before I can start on it.
in the process taco and i can discuss low level support issues as well; it's all a matter of demand and time; of course after a port, taco would mildly force you to write an article for the MAPS -)
I had done some basics with the font/encoding parts before. I solicited feedback on what next parts/features were important to tackle next, and I got nowhere. I'll try to dig this up and send it to you guys in the next few days. (Remind me if you don't hear from me!)
adam
I think the answer is zero or nearly zero. If you have a bit of patience, I can do a port of tipa.sty (quite easy), but it will take some time before I can start on it.
in the process taco and i can discuss low level support issues as well; it's all a matter of demand and time; of course after a port, taco would mildly force you to write an article for the MAPS -)
I had done some basics with the font/encoding parts before. I solicited feedback on what next parts/features were important to tackle next, and I got nowhere. I'll try to dig this up and send it to you guys in the next few days. (Remind me if you don't hear from me!)
Perhaps this is a stupid question, but do we need more than some definitions in the Unicode encoding vectors and typescripts for some fonts? Is (T)IPA support about more than using some phonetic chars? Please enlighten me.
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Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Perhaps this is a stupid question, but do we need more than some definitions in the Unicode encoding vectors and typescripts for some fonts? Is (T)IPA support about more than using some phonetic chars? Please enlighten me.
AFAICT, there are:
- 2 new font encodings needed (T3 and T3S), with associated named characters - a set of font definitions - unicode tables (for utf input) need extension - there are some macros in IPA for special input
That's about it for the basic TIPA font support, I guess.
For proper linguistic work, you need a large set of extra macros, but those are not in the LaTeX tipa.sty either.
Greetings, Taco
On 12/3/05, Taco Hoekwater taco@elvenkind.com wrote:
Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Perhaps this is a stupid question, but do we need more than some definitions in the Unicode encoding vectors and typescripts for some fonts? Is (T)IPA support about more than using some phonetic chars? Please enlighten me.
AFAICT, there are:
- 2 new font encodings needed (T3 and T3S), with associated named characters
- a set of font definitions
- unicode tables (for utf input) need extension
- there are some macros in IPA for special input
That's about it for the basic TIPA font support, I guess.
For proper linguistic work, you need a large set of extra macros, but those are not in the LaTeX tipa.sty either.
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I've done some work with tipa under LaTeX as a beginning linguistics student, though I didn't get into the guts at the time.
This threaed gets me thinking: how far away from "proper" is the tipa package under LaTeX? How much work is a "proper" implementation likely to be?
I'm in some ways a beginner "under the hood", but I'm pretty motivated to get proper support in place.
Taco, your list above includes some stuff I'm unfamiliar with (T3 encoding, macros for IPA input), so I don't know how extensive the work is likely to be. Which would be easier: scrap and re-write or adapt?
-- Jason Knight Systems-Analyst-at-large "They fix 'em, I break 'em. Thus, analysis."
Jason Knight wrote:
get into the guts at the time.
This threaed gets me thinking: how far away from "proper" is the tipa package under LaTeX? How much work is a "proper" implementation likely to be?
this is something you and steve peter (also a linguist) can tell us
I'm in some ways a beginner "under the hood", but I'm pretty motivated to get proper support in place.
so go ahead, figure out what you need and let us know; there is enough interface machinery around in context to implement things
Hans
On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:15 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Jason Knight wrote:
get into the guts at the time.
This threaed gets me thinking: how far away from "proper" is the tipa package under LaTeX? How much work is a "proper" implementation likely to be?
this is something you and steve peter (also a linguist) can tell us
I'm actually not certain what's being asked. By being a "proper" package under LaTeX, do you mean that the package conforms to all norms for LaTeX package programming?
Or do you mean that the interface is "proper"? I don't know that that can really be judged. But since TIPA has become the de-facto standard, most linguists who use TeX have learned its interface. So I would aim to recreate that in ConTeXt, modulo the usual changes (\startIPA, etc.)
Or did I miss the point?
Steve
Steve Peter wrote:
On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:15 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Jason Knight wrote:
get into the guts at the time.
This threaed gets me thinking: how far away from "proper" is the tipa package under LaTeX? How much work is a "proper" implementation likely to be?
this is something you and steve peter (also a linguist) can tell us
I'm actually not certain what's being asked. By being a "proper" package under LaTeX, do you mean that the package conforms to all norms for LaTeX package programming?
That "proper" remark was made by me. What I meant was: TIPA is fine for phonetics, but it is *only* phonetics. For full support for typesetting in the field of linguistics, many more specialized macros are needed, that are not handled by the TIPA package (like glosses and trees in various styles).
Cheers, Taco
On 12/2/05, Hans Hagen pragma@wxs.nl wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hi Jason,
Jason Knight wrote:
What support is there for IPA/TIPA in Context at this point? I've had
I think the answer is zero or nearly zero. If you have a bit of patience, I can do a port of tipa.sty (quite easy), but it will take some time before I can start on it.
in the process taco and i can discuss low level support issues as well; it's all a matter of demand and time; of course after a port, taco would mildly force you to write an article for the MAPS -)
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I'd be happy to write the article.
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