On 5/13/2019 5:59 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

Den lör 11 maj 2019 10:28Mikael P. Sundqvist mailto:mickep@gmail.com> skrev:

Hi,

I have for some hours tried to understand how to work with columnsetspans (I'm trying with an updated lmtx), and have some questions.

1) Is it only the floats that has the long list of placement options (given on p. 18 in the columnsets manual), or should they also apply to columnsetspans and columnsetareas? (I cannot get it to work with "default=fxtb:2*10" and similar options for other elements than floats). It would be useful to have it for other type of elements as well.

2) What is the current correct way to get back on grid after formulas? The only key that had lead me to something that seems to work in \setupformulas is "option=depth". Is that the way to go?

3) This is a bit unrelated, but is it possible to set page backgrounds on specific page. Something like \setupbackgrounds[page][page=3, ...] (I cannot find any keys for this in setup-en.pdf). Right now I can set it for an odd and an even page, but then if I want a background on the page after that, I have to put that code at the place where it will be used. (I got an error with \startpostponing[+1] ... \stoppostponing)

4) To be a bit more concrete on the first issue: In the example below, how can I place the columnsetspan at the bottom right? Second and third column, 10 lines down? I attach the result of running this file.

/Mikael

\setuplayout[grid=yes] \showgrid \definecolumnset[three][n=3]

\definecolumnsetspan[two][ n=2, background=color, backgroundcolor=lightgray, ]

\starttext \startcolumnset[three] \samplefile{knuth}

\startcolumnsetspan[two][default=btrl] \samplefile{ward} \stopcolumnsetspan

\dorecurse{5}{\samplefile{knuth}\par} \stopcolumnset \stoptext

Hi!

I have looked more carefully at the columnsets manual, and it looks like (parts of) the columnsets mechanism is somehow broken at the moment, since some of the examples there are not showing what they are supposed to.

the mkii mechanism has been replaced by a new one but it's not completely compatible (these placements are actually for floats and spans were just a special kind abusing that mechanism)

Can this be confirmed? Is there a plan to get it to work soon again? i'll put it on the todo list

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:39 AM Hans Hagen wrote:

On 5/13/2019 5:59 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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Den lör 11 maj 2019 10:28Mikael P. Sundqvist mailto:mickep@gmail.com> skrev:

Hi,

I have for some hours tried to understand how to work with columnsetspans (I'm trying with an updated lmtx), and have some questions.

1) Is it only the floats that has the long list of placement options (given on p. 18 in the columnsets manual), or should they also apply to columnsetspans and columnsetareas? (I cannot get it to work with "default=fxtb:2*10" and similar options for other elements than floats). It would be useful to have it for other type of elements as well.

2) What is the current correct way to get back on grid after formulas? The only key that had lead me to something that seems to work in \setupformulas is "option=depth". Is that the way to go?

3) This is a bit unrelated, but is it possible to set page backgrounds on specific page. Something like \setupbackgrounds[page][page=3, ...] (I cannot find any keys for this in setup-en.pdf). Right now I can set it for an odd and an even page, but then if I want a background on the page after that, I have to put that code at the place where it will be used. (I got an error with \startpostponing[+1] ... \stoppostponing)

4) To be a bit more concrete on the first issue: In the example below, how can I place the columnsetspan at the bottom right? Second and third column, 10 lines down? I attach the result of running this file.

/Mikael

\setuplayout[grid=yes] \showgrid \definecolumnset[three][n=3]

\definecolumnsetspan[two][ n=2, background=color, backgroundcolor=lightgray, ]

\starttext \startcolumnset[three] \samplefile{knuth}

\startcolumnsetspan[two][default=btrl] \samplefile{ward} \stopcolumnsetspan

\dorecurse{5}{\samplefile{knuth}\par} \stopcolumnset \stoptext

Hi!

I have looked more carefully at the columnsets manual, and it looks like (parts of) the columnsets mechanism is somehow broken at the moment, since some of the examples there are not showing what they are supposed to.

the mkii mechanism has been replaced by a new one but it's not completely compatible (these placements are actually for floats and spans were just a special kind abusing that mechanism)

...

Can this be confirmed? Is there a plan to get it to work soon again? i'll put it on the todo list

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi! Many thanks for your reply! Then I stop my playing with it now (several things work and it looks quite nice!). I really appreciate any effort in this direction, since I think this grid+column functionality is a very nice feature to have!! /Mikael

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:28 AM Hans Hagen wrote:

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:39 AM Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/13/2019 5:59 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

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Den lör 11 maj 2019 10:28Mikael P. Sundqvist mailto:mickep@gmail.com> skrev:

Hi,

I have for some hours tried to understand how to work with columnsetspans (I'm trying with an updated lmtx), and have some questions.

1) Is it only the floats that has the long list of placement

...

...

...

(given on p. 18 in the columnsets manual), or should they also

apply

...

to columnsetspans and columnsetareas? (I cannot get it to work

with

...

"default=fxtb:2*10" and similar options for other elements than floats). It would be useful to have it for other type of elements

as

...

well.

2) What is the current correct way to get back on grid after

...

...

...

The only key that had lead me to something that seems to work in \setupformulas is "option=depth". Is that the way to go?

3) This is a bit unrelated, but is it possible to set page

backgrounds

...

on specific page. Something like \setupbackgrounds[page][page=3,

...]

...

(I cannot find any keys for this in setup-en.pdf). Right now I

can set

...

it for an odd and an even page, but then if I want a background

on the

...

page after that, I have to put that code at the place where it

will be

...

used. (I got an error with \startpostponing[+1] ...

\stoppostponing)

...

4) To be a bit more concrete on the first issue: In the example

below,

...

how can I place the columnsetspan at the bottom right? Second and third column, 10 lines down? I attach the result of running this

file.

...

/Mikael

\setuplayout[grid=yes] \showgrid \definecolumnset[three][n=3]

\definecolumnsetspan[two][ n=2, background=color, backgroundcolor=lightgray, ]

\starttext \startcolumnset[three] \samplefile{knuth}

\startcolumnsetspan[two][default=btrl] \samplefile{ward} \stopcolumnsetspan

\dorecurse{5}{\samplefile{knuth}\par} \stopcolumnset \stoptext

Hi!

I have looked more carefully at the columnsets manual, and it looks

...

...

...

(parts of) the columnsets mechanism is somehow broken at the moment, since some of the examples there are not showing what they are supposed to.

the mkii mechanism has been replaced by a new one but it's not completely compatible (these placements are actually for floats and spans were just a special kind abusing that mechanism)

...

Can this be confirmed? Is there a plan to get it to work soon again? i'll put it on the todo list

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi!

Many thanks for your reply! Then I stop my playing with it now (several things work and it looks quite nice!).

I really appreciate any effort in this direction, since I think this grid+column functionality is a very nice feature to have!!

On 5/14/2019 11:36 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: options formulas? like this will work in a next upload (watch out: columnsets operate on a spread)

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided}]

\showgrid

\setupalign[verytolerant] \dontcomplain

\definecolumnset[three][n=3]

\definecolumnsetspan[two] [n=2, background=color, backgroundcolor=lightgray]

\starttext

\page[left]

\startcolumnset[three]

\startcolumnsetspan[two][c=1,r=5] \samplefile{ward} \stopcolumnsetspan

\startcolumnsetspan[two][method=btlr,c=2,r=3] \samplefile{ward} \stopcolumnsetspan

\dorecurse{6}{\samplefile{knuth}\par}

\stopcolumnset

\stoptext

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Many thanks for the update today! One follow-up question: How do I place a columnsetspan on a right page in a spread? If I change c=2 to c=4 in your example, it disappears. Is there another way? I have realized that one can use columnsetareas to "forbid" text to go to certain lines, which is useful. But I have the same problem with them, not showing up on right pages if I use x=4 (for example). This is perhaps not the intended way to use areas, but it works pretty good on left pages to have the columns start on other lines than number one, or to make them stop before the last line, so it would be fun to have them on right pages as well. /Mikael