Hi all, On Hans's suggestion, I've been working on a "dense" character encoding that does away with combining accents and extraneous symbol-like characters in favor of fully accented characters. http://homepage.mac.com/atl/tex/dense.pdf This encoding is sort of based on the EC encoding, but adds (to the best of my knowledge) support for Romanian, Maltese, Welsh, Lithuanian, and Latvian. The punctuation that I kept was "typographic" in nature, that would fall within a normal text flow, especially those affected by ligatures and/or kerns. The typographic symbols were left out, including monetary symbols. I reckon these could be called as symbols from another encoding. The general intent here is to have strong support for (latin script) modern European languages, in the context of Unicode input. I concentrate on letters, in order to give as good kerning as possible with a 256 character subset. The letters are fully composed, to help hyphenation within TeX. Note that the encoding can't handle general transliteration or other "academic" uses. So with those goals in mind, does anyone notice their favorite *letter* missing? Is there essential punctuation missing? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Hi Adam,
On Hans's suggestion, I've been working on a "dense" character encoding that does away with combining accents and extraneous symbol-like characters in favor of fully accented characters.
do you have an enc file to play with?
So with those goals in mind, does anyone notice their favorite *letter* missing? Is there essential punctuation missing?
Looks fine so far, but I have only checked the chars I use (mostly german). Did you consider posting this to the tex-fonts list? (Although I wouldn't put too much effort posting there, the answer will be 'we don't need this'). Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki and more: http://contextgarden.net
Patrick Gundlach said this at Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:34:11 +0200:
Hi Adam,
So with those goals in mind, does anyone notice their favorite *letter* missing? Is there essential punctuation missing?
Looks fine so far, but I have only checked the chars I use (mostly german). Did you consider posting this to the tex-fonts list? (Although I wouldn't put too much effort posting there, the answer will be 'we don't need this').
No, I haven't, mostly for that reason. The discussion will inevitably center around "why" rather than what. Still, I probably should, once the project is further along. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Adam Lindsay wrote:
Patrick Gundlach said this at Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:34:11 +0200:
Hi Adam,
So with those goals in mind, does anyone notice their favorite *letter* missing? Is there essential punctuation missing?
Looks fine so far, but I have only checked the chars I use (mostly german). Did you consider posting this to the tex-fonts list? (Although I wouldn't put too much effort posting there, the answer will be 'we don't need this').
No, I haven't, mostly for that reason. The discussion will inevitably center around "why" rather than what. Still, I probably should, once the project is further along.
later ... we just add the stiff to the context distribution, make a bunch of tfm files (lm to start with, iwona/kurier/antikwa next) and we will see what happens ... we can (maybe have to) involve Boguslaw Jackowski since he's one of my personal font authorities -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hi Adam,
On Hans's suggestion, I've been working on a "dense" character encoding that does away with combining accents and extraneous symbol-like characters in favor of fully accented characters.
do you have an enc file to play with?
So with those goals in mind, does anyone notice their favorite *letter* missing? Is there essential punctuation missing?
OK for Czech chars too. Only tcaron char is not searchable (if in my AR7 search for any letter, say 'a' I got all accented a variant; if for 't' 'ť' is not find), but I do not know if the problem is in a) AR, b) CMAP, c) encoding (enco in the font presented in the PDF has mostly tcaron but tquoteright is presented too). But tt is not a big problem. vit
Vit Zyka said this at Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:42:18 +0200:
So with those goals in mind, does anyone notice their favorite *letter* missing? Is there essential punctuation missing?
OK for Czech chars too.
Thanks. Good to know.
Only tcaron char is not searchable (if in my AR7 search for any letter, say 'a' I got all accented a variant; if for 't' 'È' is not find), but I do not know if the problem is in a) AR, b) CMAP, c) encoding (enco in the font presented in the PDF has mostly tcaron but tquoteright is presented too). But tt is not a big problem.
Hmm, interesting. I get the same results in Apple's PDF viewer. (The capital letter Tcaron is searchable, though!) There's a fair bit that I don't understand about CMAP, however. (Also note that this was generated a few months ago, and that recent CMAP improvements (I think I saw some corrections go by on the mailing list while on holiday) won't be reflected here.) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Looks fine so far, but I have only checked the chars I use (mostly german). Did you consider posting this to the tex-fonts list? (Although I wouldn't put too much effort posting there, the answer will be 'we don't need this').
indeed, let's sort out our own problems; it's no real problem to get it in the distributions, but i'm too tired of this 'we don't need it' or 'why not use ...' or 'you are stupid because ...' kind of discussions; actually, i'd like to discuss (on this list) some standardization with respect to encodings and then we can make a nice zip with everything needed for those Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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