Understandably, with work going on for the new \command pages, heatwaves, upcoming ConTeXt meeting, people are very busy. I understand that. In the meantime, I haven't yet found a solution (though I have tried many) to my own problem, small though it is by comparison. So let me try again, putting it simply: Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter). At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters: [{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][] I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result. I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem. If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated. Julian
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter).
At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters:
[{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]
I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result.
I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem.
If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ... \showframe \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}] \startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups \starttext \startchapter[title={This is a chapter}] \input knuth \page \input knuth \stopchapter \startchapter[title={This is a title}, number=no] \input ward \page \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext Aditya
Almost as perfect as Shakespeare's Juliet! Is there any reason why the header for the Introduction, done using your approach (it is in frontmatter), does not produce the header on the last recto page? This intro consists of 8 pages. Page 7 does not produce the 'Introduction' header. The other relevant recto pages are all headed 'Introduction' as they should be. J On 13/8/20 12:53 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter).
At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters:
[{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]
I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result.
I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem.
If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ...
\showframe \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}]
\startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups
\starttext \startchapter[title={This is a chapter}] \input knuth \page \input knuth \stopchapter
\startchapter[title={This is a title}, number=no] \input ward \page \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext
Aditya
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On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Almost as perfect as Shakespeare's Juliet! Is there any reason why the header for the Introduction, done using your approach (it is in frontmatter), does not produce the header on the last recto page? This intro consists of 8 pages. Page 7 does not produce the 'Introduction' header. The other relevant recto pages are all headed 'Introduction' as they should be.
A minimal working example will help in diagnosing what is going on ... Aditya
Rightly so, and as I was producing such an MWE (stripping away a lot of other 'clutter') I found what was causing the problem. At one stage, trying to solve the problem, I had created a MyChapter definition and had left a command referencing it in the following: \setuphead [chapter][header=empty,alternative=middle,style=\tfa, numbercommand=\groupedcommand{}{\blank[1cm]},after={\blank[3cm]},command=\MyChapter] Give that I was now no longer using MyChapter to solve the problem, that command=\MyChapter was causing a conflict. I removed it and, using your earlier \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}] \startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups and referencing it in the \chapter or \title items, was able to achieve the desired result in every way, including that missing header on one page. Thank you. J On 13/8/20 3:36 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Almost as perfect as Shakespeare's Juliet! Is there any reason why the header for the Introduction, done using your approach (it is in frontmatter), does not produce the header on the last recto page? This intro consists of 8 pages. Page 7 does not produce the 'Introduction' header. The other relevant recto pages are all headed 'Introduction' as they should be. A minimal working example will help in diagnosing what is going on ...
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Aditya Mahajan schrieb am 13.08.2020 um 04:53:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter).
At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters:
[{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]
I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result.
I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem.
If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ...
\showframe \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}]
\startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups
\starttext \startchapter[title={This is a chapter}] \input knuth \page \input knuth \stopchapter
\startchapter[title={This is a title}, number=no] \input ward \page \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext
Don't do this, unnumbered chapter still increase the counter and when you add another chapter afterwards you wonder why the number is wrong. The correct way here is to reset the marking entries at the begin of a new chapter or title with \setuphead [chapter,title] [marking=reset] Wolfgang
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Aditya Mahajan schrieb am 13.08.2020 um 04:53:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter).
At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters:
[{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]
I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result.
I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem.
If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ...
\showframe \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}]
\startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups
\starttext \startchapter[title={This is a chapter}] \input knuth \page \input knuth \stopchapter
\startchapter[title={This is a title}, number=no] \input ward \page \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext
Don't do this, unnumbered chapter still increase the counter and when you add another chapter afterwards you wonder why the number is wrong.
(this reply is in jest ....) incrementnumber=no,
The correct way here is to reset the marking entries at the begin of a new chapter or title with
\setuphead [chapter,title] [marking=reset]
Agreed. This is a better solution. Any idea why this is not the default? Aditya
I will let the people with far superior knowledge than I have work through this, but I am following it with interest. All I can say is that by adopting Aditya's solution, ensuring that for the unnumbered titles I also included 'number=no', the numbered chapters did increment correctly, after being interrupted by an unnumbered one. Julian On 14/8/20 9:44 am, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Aditya Mahajan schrieb am 13.08.2020 um 04:53:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter).
At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters:
[{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]
I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result.
I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem.
If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ...
\showframe \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}]
\startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups
\starttext \startchapter[title={This is a chapter}] \input knuth \page \input knuth \stopchapter
\startchapter[title={This is a title}, number=no] \input ward \page \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext Don't do this, unnumbered chapter still increase the counter and when you add another chapter afterwards you wonder why the number is wrong. (this reply is in jest ....)
incrementnumber=no,
The correct way here is to reset the marking entries at the begin of a new chapter or title with
\setuphead [chapter,title] [marking=reset] Agreed. This is a better solution. Any idea why this is not the default?
Aditya
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jbf schrieb am 14.08.2020 um 02:28:
I will let the people with far superior knowledge than I have work through this, but I am following it with interest. All I can say is that by adopting Aditya's solution, ensuring that for the unnumbered titles I also included 'number=no', the numbered chapters did increment correctly, after being interrupted by an unnumbered one.
\starttext \startchapter[title={Chapter one}] \stopchapter \startchapter[title={Chapter two},number=no] \stopchapter \startchapter[title={Chapter three}] \stopchapter \startchapter[title={Chapter four},number=no] \stopchapter \startchapter[title={Chapter five}] \stopchapter \startchapter[title={Chapter six},number=no] \stopchapter \startchapter[title={Chapter seven}] \stopchapter \stoptext Wolfgang
On 8/14/2020 1:44 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Aditya Mahajan schrieb am 13.08.2020 um 04:53:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Where running heads (headers) are concerned, if I use \chapter I have no problems, nor should I expect any. But because I am also using \title, given that I need some unnumbered chapters interspersed among them, I run into difficulties with headers. Numbered chapters have the correct headers, unnumbered ones (with \title) either don't have them, or do not have the proper chapter header (they pick up the header from the previous numbered chapter).
At the moment the only thing I have in the preamble is the expected set of commands for the numbered chapters:
[{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] [{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]
I thought that might work for the unnumbered ones (\title), thinking that maybe \title inherits from \chapter, but it doesn't. But no amount of variations on the above commands (repeating them but replacing 'chapter' with 'title'; adding [title] or just title, in the first set of commands in various positions...) gives me the correct result.
I am assuming, of course, that there is a solution to this difficulty, and that it may be simple. But I haven't found it. Is the problem that I am using \title in the main body to get my unnumbered chapters? I wouldn't think so? It produces the correct result, utlimatley, in the TOC, Is it possible that I may have something else in my preamble that is causing the problem? If so, I can't expect someone to 'guess' that from outside! But at the moment I don't think that is the problem.
If not a direct solution, are there any clues someone might give me that will lead me to finding my own solution? It would be much appreciated.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ...
\showframe \setupheadertexts[\setups{header}]
\startsetups header \getmarking[chapter] \stopsetups
\starttext \startchapter[title={This is a chapter}] \input knuth \page \input knuth \stopchapter
\startchapter[title={This is a title}, number=no] \input ward \page \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext
Don't do this, unnumbered chapter still increase the counter and when you add another chapter afterwards you wonder why the number is wrong.
(this reply is in jest ....)
incrementnumber=no,
The correct way here is to reset the marking entries at the begin of a new chapter or title with
\setuphead [chapter,title] [marking=reset]
Agreed. This is a better solution. Any idea why this is not the default?
because this is all kind of tricky wrt when to reset ... chapters can start a new page or not ... esp in a double sided layout it can be that one does or doesn't do things that neeed to be reflected on a following page (so in a complex setup when one changes headers or other properties oneself, one also might have to make sure a \page happens at the right spot) changing something like this for sure will break something else Hans -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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